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Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:15 am to Tigerman97
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:15 am to Tigerman97
Gus’s story isn’t as unique as we try to make it seem. He had something great that worked for him and now it doesn’t. That’s 99% of coaches. The other 1% become the game’s elite for the long haul.
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Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:22 am to jvilletiger25
quote:the one not quitting
No he doesn't. And let's not forget, Joey committed to Auburn at the end of his 9th grade year, was trying his best to help recruit others. Nix kept playing the recruiting game for a long time. Now who was more loyal to Auburn?
We all knew Joey was gone. Surprised he doesnt want to stick it out for a few more weeks. You never know what could happen.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:26 am to TheJones
He veered away from it but that’s on him too. This still is not the 2010, 2013, 2014 Auburn offense. He frocked up. I don’t know if his offense doesn’t work anymore. I know that this offense isn’t. All that still falls on Gus, and still proves your point because Saban has made adjustments to their offense and still highly successful. Others too.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:26 am to Rig
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If he leaves he leaves. We’ll fare without him
I hope it's an amicable parting.
By almost all accounts the QB contest wasn't particularly close. I think you can raise questions about whether what Gus wants to do at QB is the right move or whether the contest was skewed toward Bo - not by bias but by the absence of live action where Joey has some advantage.
But in all likelihood, Gatewood didn't get screwed in the QB contest, he just lost.
Now I do wish Gus would play backup QBs, but that's not new and not specific to Gatewood. Barring some break in ideology by Gus or a chance for Joey to raise doubts through playing time, I'm not surprised he's going to leave. He's behind an Auburn legacy and true freshman. I don't like the transfer culture but it's not a decision any reasonable person can take issue with.
I do hope he sticks out the year, however, as that is indisputably the right thing to do.
As for everyone claiming Gus lied to Joey, eat shite. Gus is Gus and is always going to annoy everyone with bullshite coachspeak that doesn't come to fruition. In all likelihood nobody got duped or seriously misled here, this is just how it goes. And I say that as someone who doesn't want Gus here much longer.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:32 am to TheJones
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Gus’s story isn’t as unique as we try to make it seem. He had something great that worked for him and now it doesn’t. That’s 99% of coaches. The other 1% become the game’s elite for the long haul.
That's the way I look at it.
Everyone in the beginning talked about Gus' offensive ingenuity and creativeness.
What we learned is he developed a new and productive offensive scheme.
After about 7 years we now know, as TJ mentioned that he is not in that 1% who becomes elite.
Gus is NOT an innovative coach when it comes to the complete offensive scheme. He has problems in game management, QB development, substitution effectiveness at the RB and QB and the most important one, adapting and utilizing an passing scheme to complement a strong innovative rushing attack.
Coach Malzahn has tried different things(being CEO HC, bringing in other OCs) but the bottom line is he can't produce an effective passing plan, if the running game is not consistent or being taken out of a game.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:39 am to Pettifogger
Rhett Lashlee and Ronnie Brown liked this post by Emory Blake:
1a and 1b and neck to neck all from the horses mouth.
quote:Would help if our coaches weren’t tards.
Emory Blake
@EB_TXmade
We need to establish QB development at AU
quote:In all likelihood he felt Bo was the better option to securing a next season through the true freshman card (which he has used a lot.) And since then, Bo has been less than stellar, and team goals destroyed.
But in all likelihood, Gatewood didn't get screwed in the QB contest, he just lost.
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By almost all accounts the QB contest wasn't particularly close
1a and 1b and neck to neck all from the horses mouth.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 9:42 am
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:49 am to LanierSpots
quote:That's fine, except for the objective truth that the wildcat is a major part of Gustav's offense, and has been since his Springdale days. Obviously if Gustav was concerned about 'messing up the flow' he wouldn't use it.
I also do not blame the coaching staff for not sending him in and out of the game. I personally hate a two QB system as I think it really messes up the flow of the game and the timing of the offense. You could see it a lot of times when Gatewood enters games for us. Not his fault, just changing things in mid stream is disruptive.
I fail to see the logic of putting an RB less than two weeks out from knee surgery in at QB than, say, an actual QB who is 100% healthy.
I wish Joey well whatever he decides to do. And I'm still hopeful that Bo gets over the yips and becomes the QB he is capable of being.
I also find myself wishing that we'd won the Kelly Bryant sweepstakes after all.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:54 am to jangalang
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1a and 1b and neck to neck all from the horses mouth.
Go read any beat writer on the topic. What's Gus going to say?
I take issue with Gus as an offensive mind, a QB coach and a manager of QBs. But I don't necessarily take issue with the concept that Bo is the better QB.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:59 am to Pettifogger
I do. Nix never proved to be a serviceable QB against quality opponents and Gatewood never showed that he couldn’t do better.
And it’s Malzahn. The same guy that has made countless other stupid decisions.
And it’s Malzahn. The same guy that has made countless other stupid decisions.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:03 am to jangalang
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I do. Nix never proved to be a serviceable QB against quality opponents and Gatewood never showed that he couldn’t do better.
Well to start this is a really stupid way to form opinions
And the point about Nix is equally childish. Nix is the epitome of serviceable against quality opponents.
I agree on Malzahn in many ways. That said he's not an all-encompassing defense for your emotionally-driven opinions.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:06 am to Pettifogger
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Nix is the epitome of a liability against quality opponents.
You meant this right?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:10 am to jangalang
There are QB's all over the country that are cemented as starters that struggle against elite competition. Bo Nix is a TF and struggling against elite competition. He has been very, very good against lesser competition thus far and shown his talent.
The hand wringing over Bo Nix being another failure is a bit absurd to me. It takes reps and experience to get comfortable against this level of competition.
The problem is, he is the best we have by far, and we play an elite schedule.
The hand wringing over Bo Nix being another failure is a bit absurd to me. It takes reps and experience to get comfortable against this level of competition.
The problem is, he is the best we have by far, and we play an elite schedule.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:11 am to jangalang
The epitome of serviceable against quality opponents:
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:11 am to makersmark1
How we are losing. Lost to the #1 team in the country at THEIR house by 3. Another top 8 team at their house by 11.
This team is playing different than normal. We would get blown out in games like that normally.
This team is playing different than normal. We would get blown out in games like that normally.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:12 am to Pettifogger
Let me add to that.
I was listening to an AU talk show after last weeks game, and Chris Todd, who was our QB for 2 years, and had Gus as OC for one year, had some interesting insights.
He said, and I felt this too from years of experts talk about QB skills, that Nix when he came here in the spring, and competed against Gatewood then, and in the fall, brought with him a lot of QB skills that he learned from his father, his coach and an experienced, successful college coach.
Skills that we don't see, like drops in passing plays, checks, reading the defenses, getting players in the right place, etc. All those things, that Todd said, he picked up quicker, already had, that Gatewood from only 1 year at AU, and not receiving in HS, bc he was never the starter, or asked to be a passing or complete QB in HS.
I believe what Todd said, that regardless what we think, that bringing in Gatewood bc Nix was struggling, would cause Malzahn to change his offensive play calling. Todd said that Gatewood can NOT run the offense that Nix can. Bringing in Gatewood would require Malzahn to run a different offense.
Now, I am not saying that Gus shouldn't have at least allowed Gatewood to run Gus' 'packages' he kept talking about all year. Why Gus didn't, i think we know Gus talks one way to the media, and operates differently during the game. I feel that if you have a struggling QB, there is not a problem bringing in your 1b(His words) to try to spark the team.
Now, I would have still made Nix the starter the next week, regardless whether Gatewood did spark the team offensively. I want consistency at QB...I do not like a 2 @B system, or continually swapping QBs based on who is struggling.
Bottom line...we knew this day might come, but hoped it wouldn't happen during the season. And remember, Kelly at Clemson, left the team in fall camp right before the season. So, teams adapt, and now we may have Cord as backup.
I was listening to an AU talk show after last weeks game, and Chris Todd, who was our QB for 2 years, and had Gus as OC for one year, had some interesting insights.
He said, and I felt this too from years of experts talk about QB skills, that Nix when he came here in the spring, and competed against Gatewood then, and in the fall, brought with him a lot of QB skills that he learned from his father, his coach and an experienced, successful college coach.
Skills that we don't see, like drops in passing plays, checks, reading the defenses, getting players in the right place, etc. All those things, that Todd said, he picked up quicker, already had, that Gatewood from only 1 year at AU, and not receiving in HS, bc he was never the starter, or asked to be a passing or complete QB in HS.
I believe what Todd said, that regardless what we think, that bringing in Gatewood bc Nix was struggling, would cause Malzahn to change his offensive play calling. Todd said that Gatewood can NOT run the offense that Nix can. Bringing in Gatewood would require Malzahn to run a different offense.
Now, I am not saying that Gus shouldn't have at least allowed Gatewood to run Gus' 'packages' he kept talking about all year. Why Gus didn't, i think we know Gus talks one way to the media, and operates differently during the game. I feel that if you have a struggling QB, there is not a problem bringing in your 1b(His words) to try to spark the team.
Now, I would have still made Nix the starter the next week, regardless whether Gatewood did spark the team offensively. I want consistency at QB...I do not like a 2 @B system, or continually swapping QBs based on who is struggling.
Bottom line...we knew this day might come, but hoped it wouldn't happen during the season. And remember, Kelly at Clemson, left the team in fall camp right before the season. So, teams adapt, and now we may have Cord as backup.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:13 am to auburnnyc94
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The hand wringing over Bo Nix being another failure is a bit absurd to me.
Nobody is even saying that. He clearly wasn’t the answer against Florida and LSU though and Gus made damn sure to not let Gatewood have the opportunity to provide a spark.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:15 am to Pettifogger
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Nix is the epitome of serviceable against quality opponents.
LoL no he is NOT.
Oregon- 13/31 177 2 2
aTm- 12/20 100 1 0
TULANE- 19/37 207 1 0
UF 11/27 145 1 3
LSU 15/35 157 1 and 1
So that means Bo is 70 of 150 (46%) for 786 yards with 6 TDs and 6 TDs vs any team with a pulse.
Thats JJ6/JF3 level of play vs anyone with even a decent team.
Since when did 46% and as many interceptions as TDs become "serviceable?"
Sean White was "serviceable." Nix is playing as bad as any QB in modern Auburn history.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:22 am to jangalang
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You meant this right?
Of course I did. Serviceable is precisely what Nix was vs. Oregon, Tulane and A&M.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:25 am to AuSteeler
I think Gus is ridiculous for not letting backups play, and I thought that before this season. It is a huge obstacle to continuity year to year, and part of the reason every season with Gus is an entirely discreet and "who the frick knows" proposition.
I generally agree that I wouldn't give the QB1 role to Gatewood unless he earned it. And I'm sure there are all sorts of reasons the coaches don't think Gatewood should get a chance in the heart of an SEC schedule to see what he's got (despite the perpetual back-up QB advocates we have in our fan base). But I don't think you have to interrupt your QB1's development in order to get QB2 a little experience and at least a sliver of opportunity to make the coaches second guess themselves.
I generally agree that I wouldn't give the QB1 role to Gatewood unless he earned it. And I'm sure there are all sorts of reasons the coaches don't think Gatewood should get a chance in the heart of an SEC schedule to see what he's got (despite the perpetual back-up QB advocates we have in our fan base). But I don't think you have to interrupt your QB1's development in order to get QB2 a little experience and at least a sliver of opportunity to make the coaches second guess themselves.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 10:26 am to auburn2eugene
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LoL no he is NOT.
Oregon- 13/31 177 2 2
aTm- 12/20 100 1 0
TULANE- 19/37 207 1 0
UF 11/27 145 1 3
LSU 15/35 157 1 and 1
So that means Bo is 70 of 150 (46%) for 786 yards with 6 TDs and 6 TDs vs any team with a pulse.
Thats JJ6/JF3 level of play vs anyone with even a decent team.
Since when did 46% and as many interceptions as TDs become "serviceable?"
Sean White was "serviceable." Nix is playing as bad as any QB in modern Auburn history.
While I understand your point, and it is accurate that Nix has struggled, but...
Geez...you lost it with the JJ and JF3 comparison.
JJ had 2 years to learn the offense and hone is QB skills, before he started in the SEC.
Nix, had no time other that spring and fall practices before he was thrown in the fire.
ANd to use JF3? ha. JF3 was never brought in to be a complete QB that could run a complex and diverse run/pass offense. His only attribute was he was fast....
But I am not going to blame Nix for not being the consistent QB we hoped for. But if you have watched QBs in college football over the years, those that struggle as starting FR QBs show vast improvement in their 2nd year and beyond.
ANd I feel the problem is Gus' way of giving Nix an offense that allows him to be successful, and design passes that include higher % pass completions that would give Nix options and confidence.
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