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re: Do we land Julian Lewis?
Posted on 6/18/24 at 7:13 am to CorchJay
Posted on 6/18/24 at 7:13 am to CorchJay
Our QB history is bad, but Freeze's history isn't. We also brought in a killer WR class that will (hopefully) be around for 3 years.
This is our best shot to attract a top QB recruit we've had In a while.
This is our best shot to attract a top QB recruit we've had In a while.
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 8:44 am to FlyDownTheField
Excellent point. A strong receiver group is a good selling point in quarterback recruitment.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 8:47 am to TigerProwl24
We would have to blow the bank.
I think if we're going to stay competitive in this new game, we're going to have to be willing to blow the bank on a big time QB. I don't know if that's JuJu, but Auburn made some promising hires in evaluating talent. If they feel like JuJu is worth blowing the bank, we need to blow it. If Hugh is still trying to play the old game of having three deep of high school, 3/4 year talent with a servicable QB, we won't and we'll regret it.
I think if we're going to stay competitive in this new game, we're going to have to be willing to blow the bank on a big time QB. I don't know if that's JuJu, but Auburn made some promising hires in evaluating talent. If they feel like JuJu is worth blowing the bank, we need to blow it. If Hugh is still trying to play the old game of having three deep of high school, 3/4 year talent with a servicable QB, we won't and we'll regret it.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:23 am to AUCom96
I’m all for signing Juju but if we don’t doesn’t mean we aren’t building a championship type team. He’s just one important piece.
Last year was the same hype. Walker White was the piece. Plus the WR class.
This year it’s the OL, DL, and possibly QB. I think Auburn can win with Juju, Lacey, or Hawkins.
Last year was the same hype. Walker White was the piece. Plus the WR class.
This year it’s the OL, DL, and possibly QB. I think Auburn can win with Juju, Lacey, or Hawkins.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:31 am to CorchJay
If Lacey is committed to Texas then he is a good player.
I am not going to cry too hard about Juju since he is being heavily shopped around and some parents see the value of shopping every year.
I am not going to cry too hard about Juju since he is being heavily shopped around and some parents see the value of shopping every year.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:36 am to CorchJay
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I’m all for signing Juju but if we don’t doesn’t mean we aren’t building a championship type team. He’s just one important piece.
Last year was the same hype. Walker White was the piece. Plus the WR class.
This year it’s the OL, DL, and possibly QB. I think Auburn can win with Juju, Lacey, or Hawkins.
I don't know if he's the guy, but we don't have a guy right now and we'll need one before we enter the conversation. Whoever it is, that "guy" will come with a very large price tag. I just hope we're willing to pay it, because the days of surrounding an average QB with pieces and hoping for the best I have to believe are over.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:50 am to AUCom96
I think over the past couple cycles whoever Freeze has truly wanted if it is comparable to their true market value the NIL has come through. I expect no different for Juju. If he comes he comes. If he doesn’t he doesn’t. Auburn will not be outbid within a reasonable market value. If someone goes way out of whack then market value then they might get his commitment.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 9:53 am to AUCom96
We need a guy now because we don't need to be fricking with WR recruiting. Dont care to entertain Juju's games until October
Posted on 6/18/24 at 10:45 am to jangalang
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Dont care to entertain Juju's games until October
Doesn’t seem to be playing games, just going through the visit process. Hopefully, he does this CO visit and then makes a decision by Big Cat weekend. If it drags into August, that’s definitely a problem.
Henderson though is definitely playing games with his recruitment.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:13 am to PubeCrab
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Henderson though is definitely playing games with his recruitment
He may play himself into not having a spot
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:21 am to jangalang
quote:Good but not great. Not sold on Lacey being a number 1 Qb in the SEC.
If Lacey is committed to Texas then he is a good player.
At some point, Auburn is going to have to go all in on an elite high school Qb and stop trying to get by with average Qb recruiting. We see our rivals signing the best of the best at the Qb position while we sit here signing the Hank Browns, Payton Thornes and Walker Whites of the world. Good Qbs, but none of them move the needle.
We have lost every Qb battle outside of Walker White in recent memory. We have lost every portal recruitment and had to settle for Thorne. I mean, Qb recruiting has been dogshit.
We hit a homerun with Stidham, got burned by Bo Nix and we are still pumping up our Qb play from over a decade ago? Can we not get serious about the Qb position. Its been Auburn's achillies heel since the beginning of time.
Great defense, great running attack....if only we had a Qb. Said it a million times. Now we have an average defense, no running attack and no qb. WTF man.
Just spend the damn money and buy JuJu so we can compete for championships. Its that simple. Freeze is putting all the pieces together around the Qb position but has struck out at every turn when trying to sign an elite guy. Cmon Freeze. this is the one position you HAVE to sign an elite player at.
If we strike out on JuJu then we are looking at a portal guy or some B list Qb that will never sniff the field.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:26 am to AuburnTigers
As I said before for years. All 4 stars aren’t created equal.
Our WR recruiting be a top 25 WR for his position about every 4 years. Other recruiting cycles would be something like the number 33, 47, 65 for their position. I said over and over if you aren’t signing top 20 players at a position you probably are going to get subpar play at that position.
We as a fan base would have been livid if we didn’t have a top 20 running back on the roster under Gus or any other coach.
Our WR recruiting be a top 25 WR for his position about every 4 years. Other recruiting cycles would be something like the number 33, 47, 65 for their position. I said over and over if you aren’t signing top 20 players at a position you probably are going to get subpar play at that position.
We as a fan base would have been livid if we didn’t have a top 20 running back on the roster under Gus or any other coach.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:32 am to CorchJay
the frick are you talking about? Were talkin about Qb position, not the WR position or the RB position. Both have been shite by the way and no we havent signed a top RB in years. Dyer was the last 5 star RB we have had. Thats 15 years ago? Cant remember the last time weve had a 1k rusher either.
WR recruiting has been average to below average until Freeze got here.
eta: forgot about Roc Thomas being a five star, but really, he sucked arse too
WR recruiting has been average to below average until Freeze got here.
eta: forgot about Roc Thomas being a five star, but really, he sucked arse too
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 11:33 am
Posted on 6/18/24 at 12:21 pm to CorchJay
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I think over the past couple cycles whoever Freeze has truly wanted if it is comparable to their true market value the NIL has come through. I expect no different for Juju. If he comes he comes. If he doesn’t he doesn’t. Auburn will not be outbid within a reasonable market value. If someone goes way out of whack then market value then they might get his commitment.
I don't know how you determine "reasonable market value" for a top level player in college football right now. It's just what a program is willing to pay. And I just don't see Auburn being able to outbid for a top QB without paying money that many Auburn fans will likely find unreasonable. But with every single position now coming with a pricetag every single year, having a dynamic offense is more important than ever and that requires a top shelf QB who can come in and make an immediate impact. If anything is worth overpaying for, there it is. You go another season with a middling portal QB or a project recruit under center, you'll end up paying the unreasonable price tags to keep the likes of Coleman, Thompson, etc. on the roster another year.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 1:32 pm to AuburnTigers
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At some point, Auburn is going to have to go all in on an elite high school Qb and stop trying to get by with average Qb recruiting. We see our rivals signing the best of the best at the Qb position while we sit here signing the Hank Browns, Payton Thornes and Walker Whites of the world. Good Qbs, but none of them move the needle.
Again, Walker White was 247's #5 QB last year, and On3's #7 QB. Can we please stop comparing him to Hank Brown and Holden Geriner?
I have no idea whether or not he will turn into anything, but a Top 50-100 QB is not an "average" recruit. Or are you trying to imply that only the Top 3 QB's in each recruiting class are worth anything?
They also didn't "settle" for Thorne. You act like he was in the portal for months and no one wanted to take him. This coaching staff actually tampered to get him into the portal. No he wasn't the "top choice", but he also would have had P5 interest regardless had he entered the portal earlier than he did (by way of being a multi-year P5 starter who had won games). He entered the portal on the last day it was open, took no visits, and signed with Auburn a few days later. We'll see what Thorne looks like this year in what should be a more cohesive offense - they clearly like him enough to not have bothered to recruit over him.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:28 pm to AuburnTigers
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WR recruiting has been average to below average until Freeze got here.
Hence why QB play has looked poor even though the QBs went on to be NFL QB…
That’s what the frick I’m talking about.
Oh and I’m still waiting on the me shitting on players since I always do
Posted on 6/18/24 at 2:38 pm to CorchJay
The only play I really hated by PT was the pick 6 at Vandy.
He did some good things. He had Bama on the ropes. He led a comeback versus California. Played well at Arkansas.
Elite WRs may improve his numbers. It may also help the running game.
He did some good things. He had Bama on the ropes. He led a comeback versus California. Played well at Arkansas.
Elite WRs may improve his numbers. It may also help the running game.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:01 pm to CorchJay
quote:you do shite on players. This isnt the first time Ive called you out on it. Deal with it.
Oh and I’m still waiting on the me shitting on players since I always do
quote:Yeah sure. Its been the lack of WR is why our Qbs have been so poor. Thats it. TJ Finley was actually a great Qb. Jeremy Johnson was All SEC until our poor WR recruiting dragged him down
Hence why QB play has looked poor even though the QBs went on to be NFL QB…
shite Qb play breeds shite WR recruiting. Not the other way around
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:05 pm to metafour
quote:Why? They are all good Qbs, but none of them are elite.
Again, Walker White was 247's #5 QB last year, and On3's #7 QB. Can we please stop comparing him to Hank Brown and Holden Geriner?
quote:I stated what I believed pretty clearly. WW is a good Qb, but he isnt elite. Accuracy is still an issue for him
I have no idea whether or not he will turn into anything, but a Top 50-100 QB is not an "average" recruit. Or are you trying to imply that only the Top 3 QB's in each recruiting class are worth anything?
quote:yes the frick we did.
They also didn't "settle" for Thorne.
quote:Literally no one was beating down his door
You act like he was in the portal for months and no one wanted to take him.
quote:the frick? The guy was being benched by his coach and he hit the portal
This coaching staff actually tampered to get him into the portal.
quote:Biggest lie out of your mouth. We went hard after Leonard and got outbid. We went after Ward and he was too expensive. We looked for a replacement for Thorne big time and to deny that and pretend otherwise is a failure of memory on your part
they clearly like him enough to not have bothered to recruit over him.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 3:10 pm to makersmark1
quote:or the int vs Cal or the missed open WRs or the fumbles or the panic in his eyes. shite body language. The dude plays with fear inside him. Cant have that in a Qb
The only play I really hated by PT was the pick 6 at Vandy.
quote:when the game is on the line, Payton Thorne will NOT win you the ball game.
He did some good things. He had Bama on the ropes. He led a comeback versus California. Played well at Arkansas.
If there is 1 minute left and we have to drive the field for a game tying FG or a game winning TD, you really think he can put the team on his shoulders and win the game? I dont believe he is that guy. I just dont.
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