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re: Coordinator’s/Position Coaches
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:29 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:29 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Not really.
Yes really. There are head coaches that are essentially the coordinator for one side of the ball. If you don’t want to use it, fine. But in my evaluation, I will.
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Okay, so what % of their defensive rankings during his year's as a HC to you attribute to him vs his DC?
I don’t know necessarily how involved he is. But I essentially consider him the DC. If you can show me that he wasn’t calling the defense and such then I’ll change it. But as of now, that’s how I look at it.
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Hugh also called plays as a HC. Did Odom ever call the defensive plays while he was a HC? The two are not comparable, and I still would focus more of my attention on how someone did in the role i'm hiring them first and foremost.
You’re saying I shouldn’t consider those at all which would be a different story.
I’m pretty sure I’ve just mainly posted numbers pretty consistently. You can create whatever story you want on the guys after that.
But my evaluation from looking at Odoms numbers are he’s a good DC.
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:31 pm to Weagle25
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Meta changed my mind with Efficiency numbers.
How? If we take every year, his defenses have averaged 49th in efficiency. Should have stuck to your original opinion
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:32 pm to Weagle25
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We’re just arguing
love it Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:34 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I never said they weren't better than Roberts, but as to my original point, you would disagree with yourself that he was a "damn good DC" based on the metric you yourself put in place. They are marginally better at best.
I don’t know how you can say this when I’m literally looking at them and saying Odom is better.
You’re acting like this is a gotcha when I literally don’t give a shite. Which is why I already posted a link to my post earlier saying I’d pass on Odom.
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Average efficiency rankings of 55 vs 45 or 47 depending if you use mine or your numbers. Your opinion of the 55 ranking is "less than stellar" yet the 45/47 ranking is a damn good DC.
I don’t think taking an average of all the years is an honest assessment. Again I don’t know how you know how I’m evaluating these as I’ve barely even shared any of my opinions on most of them.
For example when I’ve been considering all these guys, if they have a horrible year the first year but steadily improve their entire tenure. The bad year isn’t really a negative to me. They inherited shite probably.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:34 pm to Weagle25
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You’re saying I shouldn’t consider those at all which would be a different story.
I'm not at all. Just that if i'm comparing DC resume to DC resume, i'm going to compare the years they are DC's if i'm looking strictly at numbers.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:35 pm to Weagle25
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I don’t know how you can say this when I’m literally looking at them and saying Odom is better
My Point.
Your head.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:41 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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His numbers back to 2015:
74th
23rd
30th
25th
16th
92nd
88th
16th
What I see when I look at these(more to it than an average):
First year as Mizzou DC- 16th. Pretty good. Did he inherit a lot of talent? Maybe. Still good year.
First two years as HC: had bad defenses. He does take some blame there. But his first two years as HC. Maybe that plays into it. Maybe not.
Next two years- Good again. I guess he settled into being a HC.
Two years at Arkansas- Again good years. That’s a solid 4 years in a row. Pretty hard to fluke your way to 4 defenses in a row.
His last year- Bad year again. From what others have said apparently Arkansas had injuries. How true is that? Idk. But I don’t really care enough to dig deeper.
To me, he seems like he’s a pretty damn good DC from that.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:42 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I'm not at all. Just that if i'm comparing DC resume to DC resume, i'm going to compare the years they are DC's if i'm looking strictly at numbers.
You literally asked why I included them…
That’s why I included them.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:44 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
No I get your point. It’s just not right.
You don’t know how I’m evaluating. You’re evaluating the numbers different than me and then coming to your conclusion and somehow attributing that opinion to me.
I’m telling you what my conclusion is from those numbers.
You don’t know how I’m evaluating. You’re evaluating the numbers different than me and then coming to your conclusion and somehow attributing that opinion to me.
I’m telling you what my conclusion is from those numbers.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:45 pm to Weagle25
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It’s just not right.
What isn't right about it? Do you think Roberts is a very good DC?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:48 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Montgomery is a really good coach. I live in Tulsa and I think they made a change just to make a change. Tulsa is probably the smallest D1 school in the country. Enrollment is under 4,000 students (Auburn 31,500). He kept the program competitive even though he loss more games than he won. When he took the job here, he was the hottest OC in the country. With the players and facilities that will be available to him at Auburn, he should thrive.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:48 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Interesting video on what they offense will possibly look like... LINK
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:52 pm to WDE24
I just don’t get the strong negative reaction to the hires given the fact that you admittedly don’t understand the coordinator search process (neither do I).
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:53 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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What isn't right about it? Do you think Roberts is a very good DC?
Well 1. Your point had nothing to do with Roberts. It had to do with Odom. Which I’ve already told you, you aren’t looking at the numbers the same way.
2. If you want my reasoning on Roberts:
LINK where I purely posted numbers and no evaluation
There’s no solid trends or anything to look at on him. There’s just one random good season.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 12/12/22 at 1:56 pm to lowspark12
Neither are splash name hires, which is what everyone just assumed Freeze meant when he said that in the press conference. For all we know that was a message for recruits and nothing more.
Either way, both have had some really good years and some not so good years. I think both will allow Freeze to be able to focus on other things, which is probably a good thing. Montgomery I think is a fantastic hire. Doesn't splash in the social media platforms but I think in coaching circles in high school and colleges, it is a really good hire. Roberts is obviously well respected, and we will see how he does.
Either way, both have had some really good years and some not so good years. I think both will allow Freeze to be able to focus on other things, which is probably a good thing. Montgomery I think is a fantastic hire. Doesn't splash in the social media platforms but I think in coaching circles in high school and colleges, it is a really good hire. Roberts is obviously well respected, and we will see how he does.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:00 pm to lowspark12
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I just don’t get the strong negative reaction to the hires given the fact that you admittedly don’t understand the coordinator search process (neither do I).
I don’t think the negative reaction is as strong as you think it is.
It’s just when you post a negative opinion on it, people jump all over you saying your wrong. Then you defend it.
I’m willing to change my mind on Roberts if I’m shown something telling me that. Jang said he’s open to changing his mind on it. I’m sure WDE would to.
But as of now, my opinion is meh. Not great. Don’t know why no one is allowed to have an initial negative opinion.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:01 pm to Weagle25
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Well 1. Your point had nothing to do with Roberts. It had to do with Odom. Which I’ve already told you, you aren’t looking at the numbers the same way.
And you still aren't getting it.
By your own reasoning and numbers, Odom isn't a very good DC because you don't believe Roberts is. If you believe Odom is a very good DC, then you can't simultaneously believe Roberts isn't one because their numbers are very similar. We are talking 49th vs 55th efficiency averages. Why is one a "damn good DC" then and the other isn't? You're just making biased statements while pretending to fall back on numbers that don't really back up your inconsistent position.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:04 pm to lowspark12
quote:I didn’t have a strong negative reaction. I simply said I was looking for more and was underwhelmed. We hired two guys away from unemployed U. If it gets you excited, I’m ok with that. It doesn’t move the needle for me.
I just don’t get the strong negative reaction to the hires
quote:I understand the process, I just didn’t undertake the process.
you admittedly don’t understand the coordinator search process
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:06 pm to 88TIger
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Interesting video on what they offense will possibly look like..
Yea the lazy WR off routes are something i've never understood and I really hope isn't much of this offense.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:13 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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And you still aren't getting it.
Again I do get it. You think I’m going off pure numbers when I’m not and I don’t know why you think I have to.
I post the numbers for everybody to look at and typically don’t make an evaluation in that.
I gave you my reasoning on one vs the other. Which you don’t agree with and that’s fine. But you can’t tell me what my opinion has to be when I look at those numbers. There’s more to the story than just the numbers. I chose to include that stuff. You don’t have to.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 2:15 pm
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