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Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:29 pm to AUTiger789
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If we fire Freeze, we will lose more money to buyouts… we’ll hire an even worse option for a HC, only one that doesn’t recruit as well, and we’ll lose games even more lopsidedly.
Take your pick. Those are your options.
I tried to type out a smartass response to this but it's so stupid I can't even do it adequately.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:38 pm to AUTiger789
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It can get worse… way worse.
No, it can't you moron. This is shaping up to be a historically bad tenure for ANY Auburn football coach. The guy who you are trying to go to bat for is on pace for his 3rd straight season of 6 wins or less. COACHES AT AUBURN DO NOT SURVIVE THIS, AND THEY NEVER HAVE.
Historically, Auburn does not get worse than 5-6 win seasons. Only twice over the past ~40+ years has that happened. The most recent one was Chizik's final season when the team literally quit.
Any idiot with a clipboard should be able to win the 3 cupcake games, and eek out 2 more wins against SEC teams worse than our own. That places you at 5 wins...which is basically your Hugh Freeze experience LMAO.
Please explain to me how Hugh Freeze is going to continue to recruit talent after this season? What, he's going to sign a 5-star RB LOL? QB's are going to be impressed by what they see? The con with the WR's will keep working?
His offense has been figured out and he has no answer. The fact that Baylor fricked up and let Jackson Arnold and our RB's run them to death means nothing. Everyone else has figured out now how to completely stop us. Baylor just fricked up, which is a common theme for Dave Aranda who himelf sucks.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:39 pm to AUTiger789
Because Auburn fired Gus without a plan, we are now in the Tennessee doom cycle of Coaching Carousel. A recap for those too young to remember:
Fulmer: Went 17-15 in SEC play during his final four seasons and was canned by Tennessee. Tennessee’s AD and boosters didn’t have a plan, and suffered for it for over a decade.
The Carousel:
Kiffen: 1 season; 4-4 in SEC play
Dooley: 3 seasons: 4-19 in SEC play
Jones: 5 seasons: 14-24 in SEC play
Pruitt: 3 seasons: 2-16 in SEC play
That’s four coaches in 12 years… average tenure 3 seasons… combined SEC record of 24-63 (27.5%).
The faster you fire a coach, the carousel spins all the more faster. We’re somewhere in the Dooley/Butch Jones stage.
Fulmer: Went 17-15 in SEC play during his final four seasons and was canned by Tennessee. Tennessee’s AD and boosters didn’t have a plan, and suffered for it for over a decade.
The Carousel:
Kiffen: 1 season; 4-4 in SEC play
Dooley: 3 seasons: 4-19 in SEC play
Jones: 5 seasons: 14-24 in SEC play
Pruitt: 3 seasons: 2-16 in SEC play
That’s four coaches in 12 years… average tenure 3 seasons… combined SEC record of 24-63 (27.5%).
The faster you fire a coach, the carousel spins all the more faster. We’re somewhere in the Dooley/Butch Jones stage.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:41 pm to RandySavage
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I tried to type out a smartass response to this but it's so stupid I can't even do it adequately.
Well then it sounds like you’re the stupid one.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:49 pm to AUTiger789
Tenn got blindsided by Kiffin leaving. If you were a Tenn fan and had your way they'd still be celebrating their Life Champions Awards in the Butch Jones years after a decade of Dooley futility.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:55 pm to RandySavage
They got put in a bad spot with Pruitt too. He got fired in January. But this time they made a good choice. You just never know.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 12:56 pm to metafour
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No, it can't you moron.
You people said, “It can’t get worse” when Gus went 6-4 in SEC play, beating LSU, etc. in 2020.
I and many others were saying, “Oh yes it can get worse” if we fire Gus without a solid plan for the furure. We were right.
Thats how we got Harsin. And if you look at the program in totality, things were way worse under Harsin than they are at this current moment. Yes, AU has been slow to improve under Freeze, but there is no doubt we’ve improved from where we were in 2022.
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The guy who you are trying to go to bat for is on pace for his 3rd straight season of 6 wins or less.
Everytime you fire a coach, it digs a deeper hole. Freeze took over a program that was absolutely at a low point. This is his first season IMO that is 100% on him. His first two get a pass because of how bad Harsin left it.
We have a Top 15 roster in terms of talent (that didn’t happen by accident. He recruited and signed them). We’re sitting at 3-2 with two close losses on the road at Top 6 teams… one of which was very likely stolen by bad officiating. I think it’s pragmatic and logical to see how the season goes before making snap judgements that would in all likelihood start the process over once again and dig another deep hole for the next guy to have to climb out of.
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Any idiot with a clipboard should be able to win the 3 cupcake games, and eek out 2 more wins against SEC teams worse than our own. That places you at 5 wins...which is basically your Hugh Freeze experience LMAO.
No, that’s the Harsin ditch he had to climb out of. Again, NO ONE expected Auburn to climb out of that hole quickly. Everyone said it would likely take 3 years.
If Auburn wins just 5 games this season, then you’ll be right. But we’re 3-2 at the moment and currently projected to win 7. So despite how you want to spin it, things are slowly improving.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:09 pm to AUTiger789
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The faster you fire a coach, the carousel spins all the more faster.
Science. Give me a few SEC examples of anyone who turned it around after 3 years of not having success.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:10 pm to AUTiger789
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Everytime you fire a coach, it digs a deeper hole.
Tennessee should have been down to community college coaches a couple of years ago when Pruitt got fired, and at an awful time in January.
But, they got Heupel and he turned it around very fast.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:10 pm to AUTiger789
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No, that’s the Harsin ditch he had to climb out of. Again, NO ONE expected Auburn to climb out of that hole quickly. Everyone said it would likely take 3 years.
The offense is inept in year three, with million dollar receivers and QB. It won’t get better. They have not improved since year one. It’s the same bullshite frustrations.
This was the prove it year for Hugh. He’s proven he can’t get it done.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:12 pm to RandySavage
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you were a Tenn fan and had your way they'd still be celebrating their Life Champions Awards in the Butch Jones
Butch Jones got 5 seasons. If Hugh is 14-24 in SEC play after 5 seasons then I’m all for firing him.
Everyone said it would take whoever Auburn’s coach after Harsin at least 3 seasons to turn things around. We all knew it. We all said it.
He’s only 5 games into this critical season…
He beat Baylor by 14 points… Rhett Lashlee (whom some say is the Savior) couldn’t beat Baylor. Arizona State who is ranked #25 only beat Baylor by 3 points.
He lost to #6 Oklahoma by 7 points. Current #20 Michigan lost to OU by 11 points. Again, Auburn played them closer than any other team this season.
He lost to #5 Texas A&M by 6 points. #21 Notre Dame lost to this same Aggie team at home.
I’m sorry if I’m not for firing a coach after just two narrow losses to current Top 6 teams when whether you like the way it looked or not, Auburn has played both those teams as close or closer than other teams who are currently ranked also played them.
If we lose to Kentucky, Arkansas, Mercer, etc then yes, it might be time to make a change. But we’re not there yet.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:19 pm to AUTiger789
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ou people said, “It can’t get worse” when Gus went 6-4 in SEC play, beating LSU, etc. in 2020.
I and many others were saying, “Oh yes it can get worse” if we fire Gus without a solid plan for the furure. We were right.
We cant help it if the AD was not prepared. I dont see how we were unprepared when Gus was on the hot seat every single offseason.
quote:Team talent has certainly improved but I would love to see where this so called improvement is when we could not even pick up a single third down conversion yesterday. We are going backwards.
es, AU has been slow to improve under Freeze, but there is no doubt we’ve improved from where we were in 2022.
quote:7 is dogshit and nobody has time for that. This schedule is very winnable and 9 is about where Freeze should be.
If Auburn wins just 5 games this season, then you’ll be right. But we’re 3-2 at the moment and currently projected to win 7. So despite how you want to spin it, things are slowly improving.
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:21 pm to AUTiger789
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Rhett Lashlee (whom some say is the Savior)
Who says this? Every single time his name was brought up yesterday it was negative.
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He lost to #6 Oklahoma by 7 points. Current #20 Michigan lost to OU by 11 points. Again, Auburn played them closer than any other team this season.
He lost to #5 Texas A&M by 6 points. #21 Notre Dame lost to this same Aggie team at home.
Honest question, do you actually watch the games? The way you lose absolutely matters. Also, it would be different if he weren't the offensive guy. If it was our defense making it impossible to win then sure, keep Freeze, hiring a new DC and hope for the best. Unfortunately, Freeze is the problem.
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I’m sorry if I’m not for firing a coach
You're welcome to that opinion. It's your disingenuous notion that firing one failed coach is certain to lead to even worse outcomes with a different coach.
Further, in saying things are improving under Freeze you are undercutting your own argument given that we got rid of Harsin after less than 2 seasons. Surely we should be worse now right, because that's what always happens when you cut bait in a bad situation?
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:22 pm to jangalang
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7 is dogshit and nobody has time for that. This schedule is very winnable and 9 is about where Freeze should be.
Absolutely. 7 was last year. It can’t be this years goal.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:23 pm to AUTiger789
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Everyone said it would take whoever Auburn’s coach after Harsin at least 3 seasons to turn things around. We all knew it. We all said it.
No, not everyone believed that. Good coaches turn programs around and at least show improvement by year two.
But, but it was so bad after Harsin.
Bill Clarke took UAB to 11-3 in the second year after the program came back from nothing. A real nothing. Complete start over after they cancelled the program,
This it takes at least 3-4 years stuff is old school 60s and 70s thinking.
Lebbe in year 2 at Mississippi State has that team looking good. You think he had any better than what we had when Hardin left?
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:25 pm to LanierSpots
7 is where most the fans are checked out for next year, Hugh is a lame duck, and then we have a real difficult schedule waitin to do to Hugh what just happened to Sam Pittman.
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:25 pm to pdfield34
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Give me a few SEC examples of anyone who turned it around after 3 years of not having success.
Sure. Starting with one that is close to home. Shug Jordan.
Season 1: 5-5 (3-4)
Season 2: 2-8 (0-7)
Season 3: started 2-1-1 (1-1-1) before turning it around.
Coming off a horrid second season, Jordan started off year 3 with wins over Stetson and Ole Miss… but then promptly tied Mississippi State and then lost to rival Georgia Tech by 30 points.
The modern day Auburn fan base would have said after the 6-36 loss to Tech, “I’ve seen enough! Fire the man!” But given time, he turned it around, and today the stadium is named after him.
Eli Drinkwitz
Season 1: 5-5 (5-5)
Season 2: 6-7 (3-5)
Season 3: 6-7 (3-5)
Since the beginning of Year 4, he’s gone 26-5 (12-5).
Clark Lea
Season 1: 2-10 (0-8)
Season 2: 5-7 (2-6)
Season 3: 2-10 (0-8)
Season 4: 7-6 (3-5)
Season 5: 5-0 (1-0) so far
So yeah… sometimes it does take a bit longer to turn things around.
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:28 pm to jangalang
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We cant help it if the AD was not prepared. I dont see how we were unprepared when Gus was on the hot seat every single offseason.
And yet it happened.
And we are still suffering the fallout from that decision.
Who says it can’t happen again and then we double down on digging a bigger hole?
Posted on 9/28/25 at 1:28 pm to AUTiger789
I can give you more examples of coaches who turned it around in less time. Yours are the outliers, and one is from the 50’s and not a good example.
This post was edited on 9/28/25 at 1:30 pm
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