re: Coach Harsin’s full presser today

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Technically, mRNA vaccines are not new. They, along with other RNA therapeutics, have been in development for decades, and many mRNA vaccines were in phase 1, 2, and 3 trials before the COVID-19 vaccines were created.

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If you misunderstood my original statement I wasn't claiming the current COVID-19 vaccines were 30 years old.

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It was never used in mass nor approved for use until now. So you made a statement that was factually incorrect. I know that you were not talking about COVID-19 being 30 years old.

I am aware of what mRNA does etc. Yes there have been many efforts to get it into circulation but it has never been approved for use until COVID-19 by Germany.

I don't think that people are talking about mRNA but more on the spike protein and it traversing to other areas of the body and causing issues with some people.

Others don't like that it was developed with fetal tissue (which is mostly obtained through abortions).

Others have seen the numbers and based on their health have decided they are just can survive the virus if they got it. (over 99% survival rate)

Others have already had COVID and feel there is no need to get the shot.

And some are wait and see about the mRNA use.

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I never said he didn’t know what he is talking about. I said you don’t know what you are talking about, which is increasingly evident the more you keep trying to make that same argument.

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I posted the exact statement, about the numbers for the flu, he made......not me


I have only posted numbers that have come out.....not my take on it.

I always provide the link. You haven't posted shite except to say that I don't know what I am talking about.........and all I have done is post numbers from health experts who deal with these things on a daily basis.


ETA I want to see you post some stats, with links, disproving what these medical experts are saying.

And for those pushing people that they must get the vax...here is a new study out of Isreal (remember vax was gov mandated for everyone) Finds Fully Vaccinated People are at “Greater Risk of Hospitalization” and 13 TIMES MORE LIKELY to Catch Covid-19 Than Those Who Have Recovered and Have Natural Immunity

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Let's face it we don't know everything there is to know on this so how about we respect each other and cheer on our teams. WDE!

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Thats a pretty fricked up way to look at things dude. I mean really fricked up. I dont think there is anything "natural" about covid. And the two people who were seriously close to me that died from covid were not "naturally selected" by that stupid shite. One of them being a two term Vietnam vet who was drafted his first term the re-up/ed his second term. Died in 11 days from covid after being seriously healthy the past 10 years

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Sorry for your loss.

But being a good person or a physically strong doesn't automatically render a person immune to disease. For instance the year I was born (in 1956 !!!) there was a particularity virulent strain of influenza. So maybe perhaps I'll respond better to another flu that you won't, just as kids raised in an agricultural setting typically have antibodies that city kids don't, and then there's heredity to consider. Natural selection is not a bad word and nothing to instantly fear. It's simply a part of what makes our immune system what it is... no matter how we feel.

(again hate someone close is gone)

However the natural selection I was interested in centers upon those who take of this vaccine and those who don't. A great many vacc promoters are blindly optimistic that this test is for the good of humanity. Just as a great number of the anti-vacc ground feel they are also doing what's good for humanity. And the truth will be made by what we conveniently call Natural Selection because we don't want to say by GOD. And at this juncture it doesn't make one side more morally upright than the other.

My god I both love and hate this place so damn much

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. The point of the question though, is why are you including these numbers in your Covid numbers, but not including them when you quote flu deaths? It is completely misleading.

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I posted a link about the recent deaths in Florida regarding covid.

A poster said basically............"now do deaths from the flu"

I posted a quote and link from a Dr. at the Mayo clinic who specializes in the flu.

You continue to say I have no idea what I am talking about with the flu when all I am doing is posting quotes and links about flu deaths. You have done this multiple times....yet you never post a quote or link contradicting my posted facts and numbers. You just say "you don't know what you are talking about concerning flu deaths"......which is correct. That's why I post nothing but numbers from medical experts.

Did Harsin have a presser...asking for a friend|????

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You continue to say I have no idea what I am talking about with the flu when all I am doing is posting quotes and links about flu deaths.

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So still, you really don’t understand why your flu statistics and your Covid statistics are apples and oranges, and pretty much worthless to use as comparisons?

How is that point not getting across? I don’t care what the numbers are, they are worthless to compare against each other because they are measured in completely different ways. Using it as a talking point is just silly. If you counted all white cars on the highway on your commute to work and extrapolated that out to say X number of white cars drive on the road over the entire day. However, I actually monitor the road and record every black car for the entire day, but I also include any car that has black on it even if it isn’t 100% black, at no point can I say with a straight face that there are more black cars on the road than white cars because the two values are not compatible valuations. That is what you are trying to use as your argument when you are comparing flu and Covid numbers. You are using a fairly broad estimation and comparing it to an actual tested, “definitive” number.

And I’m still trying to find the chart, haven’t forgotten that, but I am having trouble finding it. I hope they didn’t take it down

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.they have tried to use and get mRNA approved before but were not able to...

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It is important to include the mRNA vaccines not approved were related to vaccine effectiveness and not due to safety issues.

Safety or concerns about long term safety issues is often cited as a reason not to vac. As this thread points out there are other reason but it is one that is used often.