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re: Buccees Mascot Coaching Edition (Former Jet Tracking)
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:18 am to Lee County Tiger
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:18 am to Lee County Tiger
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Chip falls victim to the same thing as Gus and Freeze:
I'm not convinced that Gus's offense wouldn't still work if the NCAA hadn't made rule changes to help out defenses. People like to give all of the credit to coaching but forget the rule changes around substitutions along with increased enforcement of RPO blocking. Also, to be clear, he failed to evolve in the same way Saban's offense seems to constantly change with the times.
Same thing with the short passing game over the middle these days. People like to say "well now there's more development in HS... more 7on7...". They forget that these days Junior Rosegreen can't take your head off without an ejection.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 10:20 am
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:23 am to Hussss
quote:Gus' tenure was one of extreme peaks and valleys. Freeze was more stable, but limited due to lack of overall talent. The theory is, Freeze with Auburn's past ability to obtain talent, would be successful. No doubt he's a good coach, even if his personality is suspect.
Me either. We would be much better off getting Gus back over Freeze.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:31 am to Weagle25
quote:I think it's more about getting who you can get, over who you want.
I still do not understand wanting Freeze
We just took a chance on an up and comer, from a non-P5 school. Our reputation is probably worse than our play on the field, so we aren't going to pull someone like Kelly from Notre Dame like LSU did. That leaves redemption coaches.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:39 am to greygoose
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Gus' tenure was one of extreme peaks and valleys. Freeze was more stable, but limited due to lack of overall talent. The theory is, Freeze with Auburn's past ability to obtain talent, would be successful. No doubt he's a good coach, even if his personality is suspect.
Dude had one ten win year, and then went 8-5 a bunch, 9-4, 7-6, and 5-7. At Liberty, he had the 12 win year in 2020, and otherwise has been 8-5.
For comparison, Gus had a 12 win year, a 10 win year, and also went 8-5 three times, 7-6 once, 9-4, and 6-5 in the weird 2020 year.
Results wise, they are the same coach.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:44 am to greygoose
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I think it's more about getting who you can get, over who you want.
I mean if we settle for him then fine I guess.
But people are acting like he’s a first option. He should be pretty far down the list of people we contact.
I personally would rather have Gus and i was fine with Gus’ firing
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:44 am to greygoose
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Other than random arm-chair QBs, what reputable person has brought up Sanders being the next HC at Auburn?
Finebaum and Kornheiser are old dudes, trying to get people to watch their show. They will say outlandish things, aka Jerry Springer and Morton Downey, Jr.
When we do not hire Sanders, look for the same guys to bring up Turner Gill (Who was a terrible coach and had no Power 5 Experience) when we hired Chiz. (Gill was 20-30 at Buffalo)
For those too young to remember: LINK (There are a lot of examples)
Former Auburn and NBA star Charles Barkley ripped the school he attended on Monday, saying the only reason the Tigers did not hire Buffalo's Turner Gill as the school's new football coach is because Gill is black.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:47 am to allin2010
To be fair, nothing on Chizik’s resume impressed me at the time either
I wanted a leader not a loser
I wanted a leader not a loser
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 10:48 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:55 am to Lee County Tiger
quote:Comparing records is useless without considering where they are at. Ole Miss and Liberty have never been considered perennial powerhouses. Freeze took a guy who couldn't sniff the field at Auburn, and turned him into a 3rd round draft pick. Have you forgotten just how schizo Gus was the last few years at Auburn? Carousel of OCs, taking over play-calling, then giving up play-calling, and refusing to recruit offensive linemen.
Dude had one ten win year, and then went 8-5 a bunch, 9-4, 7-6, and 5-7. At Liberty, he had the 12 win year in 2020, and otherwise has been 8-5.
For comparison, Gus had a 12 win year, a 10 win year, and also went 8-5 three times, 7-6 once, 9-4, and 6-5 in the weird 2020 year.
Results wise, they are the same coach.
I'm not saying Freeze is my first pick, but he may be the best we can get, considering the circumstances.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:03 am to allin2010
quote:Chizik was a very successful DC, before becoming the HC at Iowa State. Went on to win a national championship at Auburn.
When we do not hire Sanders, look for the same guys to bring up Turner Gill (Who was a terrible coach and had no Power 5 Experience) when we hired Chiz. (Gill was 20-30 at Buffalo)
For those too young to remember: LINK (There are a lot of examples)
Former Auburn and NBA star Charles Barkley ripped the school he attended on Monday, saying the only reason the Tigers did not hire Buffalo's Turner Gill as the school's new football coach is because Gill is black.
Turner Gill brought Buffalo out of the basement, then drove Kansas into the ground. Weird that his last job was at Liberty and we are probably going to hire the guy that replaced him.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:07 am to greygoose
No,you don't just reply. You hurl childish insults that just don't land
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:07 am to greygoose
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Comparing records is useless without considering where they are at. Ole Miss and Liberty have never been considered perennial powerhouses.
Moving goalposts. Got it.
Let's do a blind resume comparison then:
Coach A: In 5 years, he went 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2
Coach B: In 5 years, he went 5-6, 10-2, 9-3, 8-4, 8-4
Coach C: In 5 years, he went 12-1, 10-2, 11-2, 7-7, 9-3
Based on blind resumes, which would you hire?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:12 am to Lee County Tiger
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Moving goalposts. Got it.
Let's do a blind resume comparison then:
Coach A: In 5 years, he went 6-5-1, 6-6, 7-5, 6-6, 9-2
Coach B: In 5 years, he went 5-6, 10-2, 9-3, 8-4, 8-4
Coach C: In 5 years, he went 12-1, 10-2, 11-2, 7-7, 9-3
Based on blind resumes, which would you hire?
Useless information.
Coach C may be the coach of a peewee team, while Coach A could be Lane Kiffin
Jerry Faust lost 23 games in 18 years of coaching.......then he got the Notre Dame job.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 11:16 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:18 am to greygoose
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Coach C may be the coach of a peewee team, while Coach A could be Lane Kiffin
These are all records of coaches at the P5 Level.
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Jerry Faust lost 23 games in 18 years of coaching.......then he got the Notre Dame job.
He left Notre Dame with a winning record, then spent 9 years at Akron transitioning them from FCS to FBS.
Ended up with an overall 73-79 record. Not great, but, given the circumstances, not bad either.
Also, it's Gerry. With a G.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:20 am to Lee County Tiger
depends on quality of opponents played. but certainly C followed by B.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:24 am to Lee County Tiger
Texas A&M once had a coach that went 25-14-2 over 4 seasons. Nothing to write home about, right?
Same coach went somewhere else and went on to having a 232-46-9 record over the next 25 years, and multiple national championships.
Same coach went somewhere else and went on to having a 232-46-9 record over the next 25 years, and multiple national championships.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:26 am to greygoose
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Texas A&M once had a coach that went 25-14-2 over 4 seasons. Nothing to write home about, right?
Same coach went somewhere else and went on to having a 232-46-9 record over the next 25 years, and multiple national championships.
That coach also was a drunk.
Hugh Freeze is a man of GOD.
Get you someone who doesn't hide behind religion.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:31 am to kung fu kenny
quote:Talent and resources also play a huge factor. History has shown that shitty coaches do less with more, and really good coaches do more with less.
depends on quality of opponents played. but certainly C followed by B.
That's the way a lot of people see Freeze in comparison to Gus. Was there ever a year when Gus and Freeze were at their former jobs, that Ole Miss was more talented from top to bottom? Did Ole Miss ever finish above Auburn in recruiting rankings during that same time?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:36 am to greygoose
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Harsin was the best coach in the Mountain West.
Yea I think where a lot of people are coming from is:
(1) A candidate can be a proven head coach, even the best in his conference according to some, and absolutely flop here
(2) To perform well at Auburn, the next coach is going to need to be able to stockpile talent while recruiting against some of the best in the business
Many of us think the ideal candidates are kind of a longshot. We all know Deion isn't a proven X's and O'x guy, but we think he would actually be able to go into living rooms and land 5 star type talent in the Southeast and probably nationally.
My biggest fear is we hire some coordinator or headcoach from a different part of the country who flops and drives us into the type of decade and a half TN just had.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 11:37 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:37 am to greygoose
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Jerry Faust
Why do you keep bringing up Gerry Faust? Are we looking at any high school coaches? This is just dumb to keep bringing it up.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:37 am to greygoose
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That's the way a lot of people see Freeze in comparison to Gus. Was there ever a year when Gus and Freeze were at their former jobs, that Ole Miss was more talented from top to bottom? Did Ole Miss ever finish above Auburn in recruiting rankings during that same time?
In 2013 and 2016, Ole Miss beat Auburn in the rankings. In 3 other years, the schools were within 3 places of each other.
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