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re: Buccees Mascot Coaching Edition (Former Jet Tracking)
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:59 am to IAmNERD
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:59 am to IAmNERD
What differentiates them is that Ole Miss is a bottom-feeder SEC school historically whereas Auburn has fielded a team that has competed or should have competed for a national title in essentially every decade.
I don't understand people who can't understand or see that concept. You are comparing DRASTICALLY different programs. When was the last time that Ole Miss has been a threat to compete for a title? Some of you actually seem to think that Auburn is a bad job that is "hard".
If you look at Auburn: 2013, 2010, 2004, 1993. Every coach at Auburn in recent history, even guys like Chizik and Bowden, did it at least once.
I can also point out to you that Malzahn actually inherited a talented roster that Chizik recruited, which just had off-field issues which needed to be cleaned up. Freeze on the other hand inherited a complete rebuild at Ole Miss, so of course his first few seasons were "building" years. Looking at the overall records from both and making some sort of comparison is really silly. You'd think that this would be learned by now given that our current incompetent HC actually had one of the ~Top 5 winning percentages among ALL coaches nationally before taking this job.
Anyway, I could also point out to you that Malzahn inherited a roster and QB that Freeze won 10 games with at Arkansas State, and he only managed to win 9 in his one season there. Today, one guy is at Liberty and the other at UCF (which is a significantly better program); and Freeze is pretty easily doing a more impressive job.
I don't understand how some of you can watch Malzahn flail away at UCF and still continue to make this argument that he's a better coach. He simply isn't. What you should understand by now is that he benefitted from being at Auburn, not the other way around.
I don't understand people who can't understand or see that concept. You are comparing DRASTICALLY different programs. When was the last time that Ole Miss has been a threat to compete for a title? Some of you actually seem to think that Auburn is a bad job that is "hard".
If you look at Auburn: 2013, 2010, 2004, 1993. Every coach at Auburn in recent history, even guys like Chizik and Bowden, did it at least once.
I can also point out to you that Malzahn actually inherited a talented roster that Chizik recruited, which just had off-field issues which needed to be cleaned up. Freeze on the other hand inherited a complete rebuild at Ole Miss, so of course his first few seasons were "building" years. Looking at the overall records from both and making some sort of comparison is really silly. You'd think that this would be learned by now given that our current incompetent HC actually had one of the ~Top 5 winning percentages among ALL coaches nationally before taking this job.
Anyway, I could also point out to you that Malzahn inherited a roster and QB that Freeze won 10 games with at Arkansas State, and he only managed to win 9 in his one season there. Today, one guy is at Liberty and the other at UCF (which is a significantly better program); and Freeze is pretty easily doing a more impressive job.
I don't understand how some of you can watch Malzahn flail away at UCF and still continue to make this argument that he's a better coach. He simply isn't. What you should understand by now is that he benefitted from being at Auburn, not the other way around.
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:02 am to Lee County Tiger
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Don't worry, someone at AL.com will find them.
That would be fun. The sports media here always has an easy target in the Auburn coach. If they try to go negative against Coach Prime, it won't go like they think it will. Good luck with that. They will look very bad.
And, I will be the very first person to scream "Racist!" at them.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:05 am to metafour
Our fans are chicken Littles. We have been absolute trash and we are still top 10 in revenues. The right coach will put us top 5. Elite HS talent two hours from campus. Everyone said AU basketball would never happen. Bruce showed it is more about investment, effort and available resources vs name on jersey. We gotta demand better output.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:20 am to metafour
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What differentiates them is that Ole Miss is a bottom-feeder SEC school historically whereas Auburn has fielded a team that has competed or should have competed for a national title in essentially every decade.
But he had the 5 star talent at Ole Miss.
He’s not going to have a drastic increase in talent coming here I don’t think so I would expect similar results to what he had at Ole Miss.
I guess what I’m looking for is what was he missing at Ole Miss that he will now have at Auburn. I’d usually go along with your argument but he brought in the talent to Ole Miss and still didn’t do much. And I’d argue he’s not going to be able to repeat the level of recruiting he had at that time.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:22 am to AUCE05
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Our fans are chicken Littles.
Don’t see how it’s chicken little to want better than Freeze.
I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t have fired Malzahn. I’m saying why fire Malzahn to turn around and hire the same guy?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:24 am to wareaglepete
quote:Yeah that wouldn't go over too well...
If they try to go negative against Coach Prime
I could get behind him if he were to bring in an elite coaching staff. He can handle recruiting but he would need a very good caliber coaching staff. Pittman at Arky has put together a great staff and that is why they are doing well now.
We just need a good coach that can put together a great staff and let them run with it.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:27 am to AUCE05
Agree with the Chicken Littles comments. Most comments re Prime (who is unqualified), Freeze, etc. are coming from a place of fear. It's like listening to someone who's been the victim of spousal abuse.
We should be shooting for someone of Bruce Pearl caliber for our football coach. Period. Better to swing and miss than to (jump on the Freeze or Prime wagon) and not swing at all.
We should be shooting for someone of Bruce Pearl caliber for our football coach. Period. Better to swing and miss than to (jump on the Freeze or Prime wagon) and not swing at all.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:30 am to Weagle25
Yeah, I am not seeing how not wanting Freeze is being a chicken little either.
There are better candidates who would take the job imo.
There are better candidates who would take the job imo.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:33 am to PrisonMike
Constant talk about Prime not being qualified but we constantly bring up candidates that are coordinators and never been a head coach before. A guy like Pittman, who was just mentioned above, was a career position coach.
So, all those saying Prime is not qualified, please only submit candidate names that have been a head coach at a FBS school. Thanks.
So, all those saying Prime is not qualified, please only submit candidate names that have been a head coach at a FBS school. Thanks.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:36 am to IAmNERD
My comment is more geared at the people who claim the AU job is on the same level as Ole Miss or Arkansas. AU could be right behind OSU/Texas/ND in generating revenues. That's just fact. We (as a university) have done a poor job at investigating in our program and it shows.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:38 am to wareaglepete
I’ll bite…Pittman vs Prime…years of experience coaching in a college program? Years of SEC experience?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:40 am to AUCE05
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We (as a university) have done a poor job at investigating in our program and it shows.
I think you are wrong there.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:41 am to wareaglepete
I'll leave it cause that's funny. Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:45 am to AUDevil
Pitt had many years experience, as a position coach. What makes a position coach more qualified to take on a head coaching job at a major program? At least Prime is running a program, albeit at a lower level. He has the head guy experience. Pittman was anything but a sure thing coming into Arkansas. Most people at the time of his hiring saw it as a real gamble. But now I see and hear a lot of the same people that will take silly shots at Prime celebrating how great Pittman is. There are always chances. There are hardly any sure things out there.
First and foremost, it is about recruiting. I think that helped Pitt get his job and it is a huge factor in why we should try to get Prime.
First and foremost, it is about recruiting. I think that helped Pitt get his job and it is a huge factor in why we should try to get Prime.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:47 am to wareaglepete
Both are paths to HC positions and both come with rewards/risks. I think the Prime situation is riskier since he’s never been on an SEC staff and this meatgrinder of an environment is unique to the sport.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:53 am to AUDevil
Pate is on Jox now and said Harsin is basically fired. Claims Deion and Lane are top 2 guys.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:53 am to AUDevil
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:56 am to Weagle25
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But he had the 5 star talent at Ole Miss.
He’s not going to have a drastic increase in talent coming here I don’t think so I would expect similar results to what he had at Ole Miss.
I guess what I’m looking for is what was he missing at Ole Miss that he will now have at Auburn. I’d usually go along with your argument but he brought in the talent to Ole Miss and still didn’t do much. And I’d argue he’s not going to be able to repeat the level of recruiting he had at that time.
Dude, there is no discussion to be had if you think he can't amass more talent here than he did at Ole Miss. Malzahn was still signing better classes than Freeze was year over year, and it wasn't because Malzahn is a "better recruiter". Yes Freeze made noise with a few 5-stars and one big class (and cheating - which is legal now), but you're now also greatly exaggerating just how much talent he supposedly had.
Even Bryan Harsin recruited "better" than Kiffin did at Ole Miss last year, and this year despite the fact that what happened in February took place and the fact that we suck (whereas Ole Miss is coming off a 10 win season and is 3-0 so far) we are basically right there neck and neck with Ole Miss in recruiting. And as we all know, Bryan Harsin is a shite-tier recruiter. This is the difference between these two programs. Lane Kiffin isn't exactly known for his recruiting, but they're a ~Top 15 team and he's basically struggling to out-recruit Bryan Harsin who has no idea what he's doing and isn't even trying that hard.
Again, you fail to even see or properly recognize the extreme differences between these two programs.
Do you know what Freeze would have here that he didn't have at Ole Miss? A football institution that has millions in resources and backing. Gus Malzahn had the backing to field some of the highest paid coordinators and position coaches in the country. That doesn't exist at Ole Miss. We have the backing to spend on recruiting, that only barely existed at Ole Miss (and really it was only there for 1-2 seasons for Freeze).
From reading your posts, you also underestimate what he accomplished over those 2-3 seasons at Ole Miss when things were humming before the scandal. He gave the SEC a lot of problems and won against a lot of really good teams. When he did lose, they were generally close games. Again, the resources at Auburn FAR outweigh what he had access to when he was doing all that at Ole Miss.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:06 pm to metafour
Meta, freeze could probably do well here, but do you really want a guy that will hide behind his Christianity cloak to cover up his cheating program?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 12:07 pm to jangalang
Good stuff. Thanks for the link.
Prime picking up speed as a big name in this, I don’t know, pre-search. We need to get everyone on board. We can make this happen. Don’t just sit around and do nothing, get out there and call your Senators and Congressman.
Prime 2022
Prime picking up speed as a big name in this, I don’t know, pre-search. We need to get everyone on board. We can make this happen. Don’t just sit around and do nothing, get out there and call your Senators and Congressman.
Prime 2022
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