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re: Buccees Mascot Coaching Edition (Former Jet Tracking)

Posted on 10/23/22 at 9:59 pm to
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 9:59 pm to
Not true. It’s that way everywhere
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:00 pm to
I know that. It's just more blatantly obvious at Auburn, followed by Texas
Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:01 pm to
Do you really think Greg Byrne is Saban’s boss? Umm no.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:01 pm to
I'm saying it's onvious the AD is NOT the boss. Direct reports rarely make 6 or more times what their boss does.

That would be like saying Bruce Arians had control of all players in Tampa
This post was edited on 10/23/22 at 10:04 pm
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:03 pm to
It is literally everywhere even at small schools. The money folks make the decisions. The AD is the figure head that represents the University and is the behind the scenes face that ties all sports programs under the athletic department.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
21604 posts
Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:04 pm to
Think of the AD as more like a schedule coordinator and CFO.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:04 pm to
The AD is the money guy's scapegoat for bad hires they oversaw
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
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Posted on 10/23/22 at 10:05 pm to
I have understood the AD's role. ADAG did not
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 7:48 am to
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The AD is the money guy's scapegoat for bad hires they oversaw



True.

The new AD will certainly get a search committee together for the next coaching hire. Because none of us are as dumb as all of us.

It also insulates from the impending disaster that the next coach will surely bring.



*meetings = search committee
Posted by AUWDE
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:04 am to
I disagree….

Chizik on paper was not a bad hire. He was the early 2000’s version of Kirby Smart….extremely respected DC that had produced multiple championship defenses at two different programs. You could look at Iowa State as fitting a round peg in a square hole and they were a dumpster fire when he took over, that was a rebuild job with limited resources and a difficult schedule. Chizik probably in hindsight should have been more selective in his first HC job. He brought Auburn the first NC we have seen in decades while Saban was at his peak and he looked promising….until he wasn’t.

Malzahn was one of the hottest names as far as coaches the year we hired him. He was our version of Heupel. Hard to look into the future to see how he would refuse to adapt his offense because for an offensive genius like him you would think that would be a given. Took us to the NC game and two SECCG. The biggest issue with Gus was the massive contract Auburn let Jimmy Sexton strong arm them into.

Bottom line when you take a chance with a “hot” new coach it could either work out for you (like Smart at UGA, Dabo at Clemson, etc) or flame out quick…..just like Heupel, he’s doing work right now but who knows what UT will look like in 2-3 years, can he sustain? Will he be stubborn like Gus and refuse to adapt his offense? Everyone thought Muschamp would be THE next big coach and he failed epically but nothing in his coaching past led you to think it would happen. Venables was the coordinator EVERYONE wanted for years and Oklahoma fans are already calling for his head.

Harsin was a BAD hire due to the fact he has ZERO ties to the SE but you can’t really pin that on the “money people” as that was ADAG going rogue.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 8:07 am
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2018
9906 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 8:53 am to
Hence my comment about ADAG not understanding the role of the AD
Posted by pdfield34
Member since Aug 2022
616 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:11 am to
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Speaking of Fickell I think he’s happy where he is for now. I also think Ryan Day is gonna be the next college guy to the NFL and Fickell slides right in at Ohio st.


Very plausible as Day has NFL experience and most coaches probably hate NIL and the transfer portal. Would be worth the wait for Fickell.

Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22564 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:28 am to
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Harsin was a BAD hire due to the fact he has ZERO ties to the SE


You can already see this narrative developing at it’s wrong… Harsin doesn’t suck bc he has no ties to the southeast… he sucks bc he’s sucks.

Urban Meyer and Nick Saban are Catholics from the Midwest…. The two best SEC coaches in our lifetimes.
Posted by pdfield34
Member since Aug 2022
616 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:46 am to
The insider/fan on the On3 youtube show brought up Matt Rhule as a best guess / possibility.
He did give good evidence that he seems to be of the 3 and 4 star and then develop school of roster management. That’s a big no from me. He was at Baylor though.
Posted by Poker Dough
Atlanta
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9906 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:03 am to
No thanks to that
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4596 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:20 am to
Rhule isn't an idiot. He was at Temple and Baylor. He's not going to be signing 5-stars so of course he has to be able to find 3-stars with elite traits. He did sign several 4-stars to Baylor including a WR from Florida who ended up a 2nd round pick last year. He left Baylor right as they got good so it's hard to say how his recruiting would have changed: obviously he'd be able to sign higher ranked players had he stayed on longer.

Several of Rhule's own hand-developed assistants that he brought from Temple are now coaching and recruiting at premier P5 schools. Georgia's DB coach is a Rhule guy from Temple. A&M's DL coach (who is one of the sickest recruiters in the SEC) is a Rhule guy from Temple. South Carolina's OC is a Rhule guy from Temple.

As mentioned by JHead, Rhule also understands the importance of surrounding yourself with people who understand the recruiting region. He had zero ties to the state of Texas so he immediately hired Joey McGuire (who is now Texas Tech's HC) onto his staff away from a Texas HS, and several others. He used these guys to immediately attack the region that needed to be targeted. Harsin did the complete opposite of this as he largely would not listen to guys like Bobo and kept doubling down on his own guys who had zero idea WTF they needed to do to succeed in recruiting here.
Posted by pdfield34
Member since Aug 2022
616 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:24 am to
More, and more, if Freeze is a no go, it’s Muschamp. He had to clean up for Urban and Dabo’s luckily getting generational QBs made SC an impossible situation. Come on , get on board. Let’s go recruit.
Of course he won’t be considered but his success odds would be as good as anyone’s.
Posted by pdfield34
Member since Aug 2022
616 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:28 am to
As long as he doesn’t have the developer mindset.
Rhule is strong. But we need to win 4 and 5 star battles. Also a fantastic person.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19817 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:33 am to
Found this Sports Illustrated profile on Rhule from during his final season at Baylor. Some excerpts:
quote:

Embracing Texas is maybe the most essential piece to Rhule’s turnaround in Waco. Sure, his dialect and appearances leaned more Texan, but he also connected with the state’s legion of high school football coaches, the true power brokers in arguably the most talent-laden state in the union. Rhule mined their players, too (77% of Baylor’s roster is from Texas). There were other pieces to this turnaround, of course. He implemented a rebuild plan that included a physically demanding regimen built on player-coach relationships, sticking to it through a 1–11 season in his first year that came with its share of player pushback.
quote:

“There are a lot of high school coaches out there who could coach in college or the NFL,” Rhule says in an interview last month from his office. “Those three guys helped me understand the landscape of Texas. They helped me understand who to get to know and how things worked to help avoid the pitfalls that some other college coaches have made. I didn’t want to make mistakes that other guys who came from out of state and didn’t make it work. They had players recruited by those staffs.”
quote:

Rhule’s program isn’t built on Xs and Os or any kind of elaborate schemes. In a way, he views that as a positive. He’s one of the rare coaches to have spent significant time during his career as an assistant on both sides of the ball. He’s coached the defensive line and he’s coached the offensive line. He’s coached quarterbacks and he’s coached linebackers. It makes him more well rounded than most head coaches, many of them offensive savants of sorts. “The players on the team feel like I’m the head coach, not an offensive head coach,” he says. “That can breed contempt.”
Unfortunately, the article also includes this anectdote:
quote:

Throughout Baylor’s football facility, flyers hang on the walls reminding players of their focus for that week. The upcoming opponent’s logo is alongside three characters in black bold font: 1–0.


Posted by pdfield34
Member since Aug 2022
616 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 10:41 am to
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The upcoming opponent’s logo is alongside three characters in black bold font: 1–0.


Now that’s funny. I guess that’s what the haters/malcontents would call peak JABA.

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