re: Boise State Article by 247 on Harsin. Lettuce discuss

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Truth be told, this type of season has been coming for a while now. Boise State is depleted in the trenches on both sides. The defensive line is thin at skill and experience, and the offensive line has been a bugaboo for four or five years now. And don’t even get me started on the linebackers. Outside of the receivers, the defensive secondary, and sometimes the running backs, BSU no longer has the most talent in the Mountain West.
Why? It boils down largely to former head coach Bryan Harsin. Don’t get me wrong, the current coaching staff is to blame for the game day hiccups and lack of attention to details, but the lack of talent at the two most important position groups on a team can be directly traced back to Harsin and his staff.
For years we have heard rumors that he is a jerk and difficult to work for. The revolving door of assistant coaches who have worked for him, the emails obtained through FOIA requests, and the comments from former coaches all confirm this point. The way he treats the media is confirmation enough.
When you can’t keep coaches on the staff because you are miserable to work under, you have to keep hiring new coaches. And when word gets out that you’re not a nice person, people don’t want to apply for your job opening. And when the applicant pool is shallow, you end up with guys like Brad Bedell, Winston Venable, and Eric Kiesau on staff.
And when you have coaches who can’t quite hack it on staff, your recruiting suffers, and your player development lacks. It has become clear the recruiting misses at positions of importance are directly related to the coaches on staff. This is how Boise State ended up with one of the worst performing offensive lines in the country, and certainly the worst ever at the school."


"Yes, I am saying Harsin built a house of cards and bailed when he saw wind begin to blow."

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Anybody wanna try discussing this one mo time.

The Boise way has crashed and burned every place it’s tried to move to.

Petersen had enough cache his first couple seasons to really recruit off of it and with a down Oregon USC and ucla he had a couple good seasons. Then he saw after everyone found out he was just an average coach at an average school and he bailed on UW.

Hawkins crashed and burned at Colorado after having a pretty good run just a year or so before he got there.

Harsin is a complete shite show so far.

Boise State lost 3 mountain west games this year. That’s more than Harsin lost in his last 4 seasons.

Harsin also literally had the top class in the entire Mountain West in 2016, 2017, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020. So if the new coach can’t even win 8 games with that, it’s on him.


Also I personally think “ The way he treats the media is confirmation enough. ” is a very interesting thing to include

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Boise State lost 3 mountain west games this year. That’s more than Harsin lost in his last 4 seasons.

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He probably cleaned house before he left.

And by that metric what does that mean as far as Gus never lost 7 games.

Comparing Two single seasons is not the same as the new Boise state coach literally losing as many conference games in one year as Harsin did in the past 4.

Harsin went 3-5 in conference this year. Gus had that or worse multiple times

I’m not pretending nothing is wrong, that article in particular is just shitty and full of fallacies.

When we fired Corn I said it was dumb in the thread and got absolutely fricking roasted for it. Everyone was shitting on me calling me a troll because I said it was a bad look to fire someone there. I thought the Bobo and Friend hires were awful and I said if he kept them into next season I knew he was in over his head (tbd on friend I guess).

I am not a Harsin apologist but I do feel like a certain portion of the fan base has gotten to the point where literally everything is his fault. I also think this article blaming him for a lack of talent, when he literally had the top class in the conference every full season he was there, it’s stupid. Also it said his staff at Boise was lackluster and complained about guys like Beddle as o line coach, meanwhile their current oline coach came from UC Davis.

I don’t think Harsin is off to an amazing start. But at the same time I’m not in full panic mode because we were at least competitive last year. We lost 5 games by 9 or less. I’m just gonna wait and see at this point.

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I also think this article blaming him for a lack of talent, when he literally had the top class in the conference every full season he was there, it’s stupid.

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Well I mean they’re the cream of the crop in the conference. That doesn’t mean he kept the kind of talent that Peterson kept. We all know recruiting rankings in and of itself don’t mean shite. Look at our 2018 and 2019 class and see what’s even left.


And I get your point about everything getting blamed on Harsin because I generally hate that too about coaches and players. but he was no stranger to controversy even in the preseason. And the shite I dislike about the article I see no effort to fix. Florida once had 14 commits and 5 OL. Now they have more commits and even more OL added since then. That’s the kind of commitment that’s needed to rebuild the OL.

This one was fun to revisit

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On the coaches thing, it’s hard to fully believe that narrative considering half of the staff at Auburn worked with him previously at Boise or wanted to work with him because they knew him from coaching circles (Bobo, Mason). I suppose time will tell

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Time has spoken

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I like Harsin. Not building any statues yet but the road SEC wins have me fully on board so far

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I still like Harsin. Still not building statues. Not as fully in board now.

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But I didn’t say that. I said that would be the chorus from the deniers that a bad thing could actually happen.

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I know. Still fits the point.

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I know that quoted article seems like sour grapes but there was a lot of the article that I didn’t quote that criticized the new staff

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Criticizing the new staff doesn’t mean it’s not sour grapes.

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Apparently boise had that problem. If Boise didn’t have that problem would the writer be writing about that?

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Had what problem? According to the article no one wanting to work for him. I didn’t deny anything about Boise’s problem because I have no idea what happened or didn’t happen at Boise.

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And we experienced an exodus of coaches by on the field coaches only beaten out by complete staff overhauls. And in year one nonetheless. That’s highly unusual. And you know that.

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He fired two coaches. That doesn’t fit the problem stated in the article.
We had a DL coach go to his alma mater. Doesn’t fit the problem stated in the article.
If DM leaves, that potentially fits.

Trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

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And then there is Missouri head coach Eli Drinkwitz who said he never knew if Harsin would be in a good mood or be an a-hole each day.

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He also likes him. Plenty of coaches are assholes. Would argue there’s more assholes than not. That kind of shite means nothing.


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