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Luke
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Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
Another year of work on his shooting and improved D and the kid would have been a late first round pick.... One has to seriously question those giving him the advice to leave early...


alpinetiger
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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Another year of work on his shooting and improved D and the kid would have been a late first round pick.... One has to seriously question those giving him the advice to leave early...

Agree. The release of jumpshot is so low and slow that I think he'll have to completely change the way he shoots. His deficiency shooting the ball reminds me of PG Ricky Rubio with the Jazz in 2017-18. He shot the ball so poorly (by NBA standards) that teams would drift to the paint and let him shoot, and his % was trash. It really screwed up the Jazz's offense. I can see teams doing the same with Cooper and nullifying is driving and passing ability. People forget also that he turned the ball over 4-5 times a game as well. Plus his defense this past year was pretty bad.


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BigBlueAU
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
Disagree. Who better to learn how to improve his shooting from than Trae Young? Plus he gets paid to do it.


CorchJay
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
My guess would be Thor becomes a star by the time he's 25. Cooper will be in the league for a while but will probably never start unless he just goes to a trash team for his second contract. He will still make plenty of money.

Hard to judge on whether he should have stayed or not. Was he here to play basketball or play school?


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TheJones
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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Disagree. Who better to learn how to improve his shooting from than Trae Young? Plus he gets paid to do it.


There’s no guarantee he’ll be playing (much) in Atlanta. Although, I like his chances with the clear opportunity in that roster, but he’s at the point in the second round where guys start signing 2 way deals.

His best outlook where he’s drafted is a probably 2 year deal on minimum salary, which spotrac has at 925K this season and 1.5M next year with 1 year in.

It’s not at all chump change but he might have a tough road ahead of him.
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CorchJay
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
He already has an Adidas contract as well. He was a big name coming into the draft but height, length, 3 ball, and defense kept him from being a 1st rounder. Jones you're probably right on the 2 year contract. I actually would him to try to find another team to sign his second contract with if Trae continues to be a Hawk.


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jangalang
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
It turned out about right for Shariffe and for us. He got drafted by his hometown team and I think we adequately replaced him. He played 12 games for us. I don’t feel one way or another about him.


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Leto II
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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One has to seriously question those giving him the advice to leave early...


I'm assuming it was his father. Isn't he an agent?


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slacker130
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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His best outlook where he’s drafted is a probably 2 year deal on minimum salary, which spotrac has at 925K this season and 1.5M next year with 1 year in.


Wonder what kinda NIL $ he could have made this year?


TheJones
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
Hard to know. I haven’t really seen any numbers from MBB players on NIL yet


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slacker130
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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Hard to know. I haven’t really seen any numbers from MBB players on NIL yet



I'm hopeful that it'll make it a tougher choice for the G league.


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MrAUTigers
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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TheJones
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Not sure that really counts here But I saw that


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AuSteeler
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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Disagree. Who better to learn how to improve his shooting from than Trae Young? Plus he gets paid to do it.



Disagree. Trae Young is not going to be responsible for teaching Coop how to shoot. Trae still has to work his own game and all the other responsibilites he as a their starting PG.

Coop's training...is going to come from personal trainer or someone on the coaches staff working with him. It's going to take hours and hours to develop another way to shoot, and learn to play better D to survive in this league.


SECdragonmaster
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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It's going to take hours and hours to develop another way to shoot, and learn to play better D to survive in this league.


He has an uphill climb for sure. Your best bet to make the NBA is to have a big rookie contract on draft day.

That way your team has an keen interest in you getting better.

Cooper made a mistake in signing with an agent.


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BigBlueAU
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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Trae Young is not going to be responsible for teaching Coop how to shoot.


If only there was some opportunity where Coop would have access to Trae over an extended period of time to learn from one of the best shooters in the league. Something like an entire NBA season where they could practice together, work out together. Maybe even develop a friendship where Coop could pick his brain and watch his work ethic. Hmmm...

Nah yall are right. He'd learn way more by spending another season in Auburn, AL.
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TheJones
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Nah yall are right. He'd learn way more by spending another season in Auburn, AL.


It’s OK to acknowledge there’s some nuance here. Cooper might spend more time in the g league than Atlanta next season. I’m sure Young will be helpful but he obviously won’t be Cooper’s personal coach either.

Ya’ll need to chill


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metafour
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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If only there was some opportunity where Coop would have access to Trae over an extended period of time to learn from one of the best shooters in the league. Something like an entire NBA season where they could practice together, work out together. Maybe even develop a friendship where Coop could pick his brain and watch his work ethic. Hmmm...

Nah yall are right. He'd learn way more by spending another season in Auburn, AL.


The "star player is going to teach a young prospect how to play like them" trope is one of the dumbest tropes in all of pro sports. AuSteeler is 100% right: Trae Young has a million responsibilities that the Hawks pay him for which come above coaching a 2nd round pick how to shoot. Furthermore, the fact that he himself is a very good shooter doesn't in any way imply that he has any clue how to teach someone else to perform the same task. This is actually another common trope: great player is by default a great teacher/coach. In reality, great players often times make horrendous coaches.

Reworking someone's jumpshot in basketball is entirely mechanical/repetition and is the responsibility of a team's player development and coaching staff. If you want to argue that he can "pick the brain" of another small/short PG like Trae Young then okay - but that isn't a unique "draw" that only the Hawks have. I'm pretty sure that every team in the league has at least one "good" shooter who Cooper could pick the brain of.


AuSteeler
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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The "star player is going to teach a young prospect how to play like them" trope is one of the dumbest tropes in all of pro sports. AuSteeler is 100% right: Trae Young has a million responsibilities that the Hawks pay him for which come above coaching a 2nd round pick how to shoot. Furthermore, the fact that he himself is a very good shooter doesn't in any way imply that he has any clue how to teach someone else to perform the same task. This is actually another common trope: great player is by default a great teacher/coach. In reality, great players often times make horrendous coaches.

Reworking someone's jumpshot in basketball is entirely mechanical/repetition and is the responsibility of a team's player development and coaching staff. If you want to argue that he can "pick the brain" of another small/short PG like Trae Young then okay - but that isn't a unique "draw" that only the Hawks have. I'm pretty sure that every team in the league has at least one "good" shooter who Cooper could pick the brain of.


That's basically all I am saying about Coop and Trae.

All Coop has to do is look at why there were 10 PGs picked in front of him to realize even more he is going to work on being better in his weakest areas.

His contract is not guaranteed, and he's not going to survive in the NBA unless he improves. especially since he can't control his size or strength.

Ofc, there is always that diamond in the rough NBA player that defies all odds.
Who was that player years ago, 'Mugsy' that was super short but played in the NBA for years?


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BigBlueAU
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re: Being quite Frank... Cooper should have stayed
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I'm pretty sure that every team in the league...


You're making my point.

Going to the league vs staying in college. Any person whos ever played a sport competitively knows you have to put in your own private work. But the level of competition is the other thing that raises your game.Coop doesn't need a "star player" to hold his hand and coach him. But his game will benefit much more from being around a star NBA player than being in Auburn where he was the best player on the team.


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