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re: Auburn, Alabama, require vaccination all employees.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:31 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:31 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:he is a lost liberal. there is no getting through to him. guarantee you he believes that Jan 6 was a threat to our democracy
Yeah, google is your friend. Oh and I am correct. The EO does not apply to USPS even though they are technically a federally contracted agency. Not a given they will be required.
Good try though and the helicopter sure is cute.
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Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:44 am to BranTheHuman2
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God damn I'm so happy I escaped the brainwashing of right wing media.
You guys look fricking insane. Get vaccinated for fricks sake.
You have the brains of children, I swear.
FWIW I got the Moderna shot in March…
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:52 am to Tigerman97
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Google is your friend.
No, it's not.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 8:56 am to Tigerman97
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Then google OHSA post office vaccine mandate and you'll see they are also under the same mandate as everyone else.
You need to quit relying on Google bubba. This is false. The Post Office probably wouldn’t survive another shortage and the government has no leverage of vaccine or fired.
Not to mention the multiple labor unions.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 9:01 am
Posted on 10/27/21 at 9:22 am to jangalang
why is my natural immunity not a sufficient defense against Covid 19?
Why do i have to take an injection that my body doesn't need?
Explain that to me liberals
Why do i have to take an injection that my body doesn't need?
Explain that to me liberals
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:04 am to BranTheHuman2
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God damn I'm so happy I escaped the brainwashing of right wing media.
You guys look fricking insane. Get vaccinated for fricks sake.
You have the brains of children, I swear.
You will hopefully grow up one day and realize the mistakes of your youth such as the above post. Or you will be one of the lost soy boy liberals that couldn't even change a flat tire if his life depended on it. The choice is yours.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:11 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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The EO does not apply to
An executive order is a directive to agencies under the president's control on how to operate. The constitutional basis for this is Article Two, but of course there is a ton of debate on interpretation
So for USPS
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does not apply to USPS
Because USPS is not under presidential control nor do they receive federal contracts controlled by the president. For example, Biden can not directly fire Louis Dejoy the Postmaster General or issue directives to him about the USPS.
Similarly, the EO does not apply to the judicial or legislative branches as they are outside the president's scope of power for EOs
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they are technically a federally contracted agency.
They are legally an 'independent establishment.'
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Then google OHSA post office vaccine mandate
So this is separate from the previously discussed EO, in that OSHA through the guise of workplace safety, can implement vaccine requirements/rules
Right now, for employers with 100+, OSHA wants either vaccines OR mandatory testing programs for unvaccinated. I'd guess that's if they are in person/in an office setting.
The USPS is subject to OSHA requirements and complying with OSHA standards is a legal matter.
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Not to mention the multiple labor unions.
I don't think labor unions get to negotiate on workplace safety law, so if OSHA requires nothing USPS can do about it.
Again, for the OSHA they did have the testing route and I think it is still unclear how it is enforced for remote/offsite
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 10:19 am
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:23 am to GenesChin
The day my employer mandates the vaccine as a condition of my employment is the day I stop working here. It's a simple as that. I have an emergency fund for shite like this. I hope there are men of conviction out there still. I'd love/hate to see Harsin and Leach walk off the job.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:24 am to Aubie Spr96
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I'd love/hate to see Harsin and Leach walk off the job.
But I'd respect the hell out of them.
The lack of fight by our educational institutions and state (aside from Steve Marshall) is sad
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:34 am to Tigerman97
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when money > morals, time to find another University to cheer for
Did you cheer for Auburn during Coach Dye's tenure?
You are frickin A right I did. Oh boo hoo he was giving poor families a little money under the table. GOOD FRICK YOU...
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:35 am to GenesChin
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Because USPS is not under presidential control nor do they receive federal contracts controlled by the president.
The post office is quasi federal. Biden appoints nominees to the Postal board of governors . It can receive funds appointed by Congress. The President can also permanently frick it as Bush did.
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The United States Postal Service (USPS; also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service) is an independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States, including its insular areas and associated states. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution. The USPS, as of 2020, has 495,941 career employees and 148,092 non-career employees.[5]
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The USPS is often mistaken for a state-owned enterprise or government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak) because it operates much like a business. It is, however, an "establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States", (39 U.S.C. § 201) as it is controlled by presidential appointees and the postmaster general. As a government agency, it has many special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. Indeed, in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a unanimous decision “The Postal Service is not subject to antitrust liability. In both form and function, it is not a separate antitrust person from the United States but is part of the Government,
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:37 am to GenesChin
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I don't think labor unions get to negotiate on workplace safety law, so if OSHA requires nothing USPS can do about it.
What is OHSA requiring? Because the NBA players union told the NBA to frick off so apparently OHSA doesn’t hold mandate there
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:48 am to jangalang
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What is OHSA requiring?
OSHA has not finalized anything yet, there are only reports of what they plan to do on the issue. I would describe what I've read as a 'vaccine or test' rule
The expectations are if a business has 100+ employees, they will either have employees vaccinated or administer weekly tests
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Because the NBA players union told the NBA to frick off
NBPA told the NBA's own mandate idea was a nonstarter. As the OSHA rule isn't official, it wouldn't be part of that discussion
But
I am pretty sure the NBA current vaccine/testing rules are already compliant. From what I understand, the NBA program is more strict than what OSHA is proposing
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:53 am to jangalang
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The post office is quasi federal. Biden appoints nominees to the Postal board of governors . It can receive funds appointed by Congress.
President definitely has influence but my point is that operationally they don't take direct orders from him. EOs are such directives and don't apply to them
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The President can also permanently frick it as Bush did.
That was a tag team effort by both Bush + Congress.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 10:56 am to jangalang
OHSA-so they are trying to get this in for COVID but this is crap because they are not having people get tested for TB or other things and even the flu shots...that is why you know it it a croc...how many over 65 are in the work place compared to younger crowd which has a well over 99% survival rate. Oh and natural immunity has been shown to be the same or better and that isn't even counted...so this whole thing is a croc
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:12 am to GenesChin
We will see how it all plays out.
Do you not think it would be prudent for the legislative branches to issue similar mandates to their people? They always seem to find a way to slither under the radar and never get included. Because as it stands now each member of the house and senate make the rules for their office, and that is it. They get to CHOOSE, which is all I am for.
I have been vaccinated since April. I am fighting against mandates and for freedom of choice. I am asking for common sense when looking at children and teenagers who are the least affected with major illness and death. They don't need the vaccine.
I am for every other citizen to be allowed to make that choice.
Why is it that immigrants illegal and otherwise are not being required to be vaccinated to enter upon our soil?
Do they have miraculous immunities against the virus?
I piece these things together, myself and not FB, Fox, or anything else. I am pretty engaged, but admittedly can get it wrong and always open to others opinions and info to help me shore up my position, or correct it with good information and facts.
There is no need for a mandate of any kind or anymore shutdowns. People shouldn't be ostracized or labeled because they choose not to get the vaccine.
Do you not think it would be prudent for the legislative branches to issue similar mandates to their people? They always seem to find a way to slither under the radar and never get included. Because as it stands now each member of the house and senate make the rules for their office, and that is it. They get to CHOOSE, which is all I am for.
I have been vaccinated since April. I am fighting against mandates and for freedom of choice. I am asking for common sense when looking at children and teenagers who are the least affected with major illness and death. They don't need the vaccine.
I am for every other citizen to be allowed to make that choice.
Why is it that immigrants illegal and otherwise are not being required to be vaccinated to enter upon our soil?
Do they have miraculous immunities against the virus?
I piece these things together, myself and not FB, Fox, or anything else. I am pretty engaged, but admittedly can get it wrong and always open to others opinions and info to help me shore up my position, or correct it with good information and facts.
There is no need for a mandate of any kind or anymore shutdowns. People shouldn't be ostracized or labeled because they choose not to get the vaccine.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:27 am to FearlessFreep
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Pretty sure it's true
As long as your pretty sure.
Looking at the three years prior to Covid the average peds death from flu was about 200 per year. The peds death from Covid in a 12 month cycle was 350’s. The Covid number will unfortunately grow because delta only accounts for 3 months of that 12 month cycle.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 11:43 am
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:28 am to ChexMix
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he is a lost liberal.
I may be lost. But calling me a liberal is false.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 11:54 am to Tigerman97
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Looking at the three years prior to Covid the average peds death from flu was about 200 per year. The peds death from Covid in a 12 month cycle was 350’s. The Covid number will unfortunately grow because delta only accounts for 3 months of that 12 month cycle.
Isn't the main difference in how the deaths are counted?
I thought flu deaths were based on in-hospital deaths and flu being on death certificate. Whereas, COVID death can range from all sorts of things - in hospital, within two weeks of being vaccinated, having covid at death due to another illness etc.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 1:49 pm to HailToTheChiz
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I thought flu deaths were based on in-hospital deaths and flu being on death certificate. Whereas, COVID death can range from all sorts of things - in hospital, within two weeks of being vaccinated, having covid at death due to another illness etc.
No, death certificates and COD are handled the same now as before COVID. Nobody cared if flu caused a case of pneumonia and then someone died until it was a political issue how many people were dying.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 1:55 pm
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