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Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:13 am to jvilletiger25
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:13 am to jvilletiger25
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That are both unproven.
You’re acting like we have a proven solid QB. We don’t. You might speculate that if Ashford had a decent Oline he would improve but it’s definitely not proven. And even if he improves, there’s still a long way to go before his numbers are good.
Bo improved but Bo was also a lot better than Ashford was this season at every point in his career here.
Here are Ashford’s number:
123-250 49% 1,613 YDs 7 TDs 7 INTs
He hasn’t even proven he can be consistently serviceable. So if you’re asking me whether I’m taking UGA’s unproven guys or Ashford right now. I’m betting on UGA’s guys.
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Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:16 am to metafour
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This is next level delusion.
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You need to understand
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you are just lying to yourself.
People skills are underrated.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:16 am to metafour
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The fact that you just tried to compare Ashford to Bo Nix is absurd
Not really. I think Harsin knew he needed 2021 LSU play creation dynamic to have a chance. It nearly worked against LSU this year. Ashford busted a lot of pass coverages by his legs.
I’m not saying Ashford compares to Bo. I really don’t know which one of y’all I agree with more.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 9:24 am
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:17 am to metafour
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Bo Nix had multiple years of SEC experience wherein he showed to be CLEARLY better than Ashford as as passer.
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This is next level delusion.
Agreed. You have some selective memory.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:18 am to Weagle25
We're at the point where there are people arguing that a guy who just put up a 49.2% completion percentage and who threw as many INT's as he did passing TD's is basically Bo Nix, he just needs more talent around him .
No, he's not. And Robby Ashford was not good in 2022. Those passing numbers grade out in the bottom third for all starting QB's in the FBS.
. No, he's not. And Robby Ashford was not good in 2022. Those passing numbers grade out in the bottom third for all starting QB's in the FBS.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:20 am to metafour
To be fair to Ashford us Freeze bashers were told Freeze could fix Ashford like he fixed Willis.
Willis couldn’t even do zone read at Auburn. He nearly had two safeties because he didn’t know when to give the ball up much less be a QB
Willis couldn’t even do zone read at Auburn. He nearly had two safeties because he didn’t know when to give the ball up much less be a QB
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:21 am to jvilletiger25
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Agreed. You have some selective memory.
Do I?
Bo Nix completing 10% more passes in every season he started. He also took care of the football and never turned it over at the insane clip that Ashford just did.
Those two differences alone are massive.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:23 am to metafour
Ashford as a passer is not in the same league of where Nix ever was at Auburn. This doesn't mean he can't be good under Freeze. The flashes have been there as a passer IMO and the legs are incredibly dynamic. He just has a longer way to go than Bo did.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:24 am to jvilletiger25
Robby Ashford:
123-250 49% 1,613 YDs 7 TDs 7 INTs 107 rating
Bo Nix at Auburn:
217-377 57.6% 2542 YDS 16 TDs 6 INTs 125 rating
214-357 59.9% 2415 YDs 12 TDs 7 INTs 123.9 rating
197-323 61% 2,294 YDs 11 TDs 3 INTs 130 rating
I would say one of those is clearly a better passer.
123-250 49% 1,613 YDs 7 TDs 7 INTs 107 rating
Bo Nix at Auburn:
217-377 57.6% 2542 YDS 16 TDs 6 INTs 125 rating
214-357 59.9% 2415 YDs 12 TDs 7 INTs 123.9 rating
197-323 61% 2,294 YDs 11 TDs 3 INTs 130 rating
I would say one of those is clearly a better passer.
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 9:27 am
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:24 am to auburnnyc94
Pretty hard to fix an inaccurate passer. That’s a steep hill to climb.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:25 am to jangalang
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To be fair to Ashford us Freeze bashers were told Freeze could fix Ashford like he fixed Willis.
Pretty irrelevant to the argument of who has more question marks at QB, us or UGA?
Inb4 Jones yells at us for cluttering up the recruiting thread
This post was edited on 12/20/22 at 9:26 am
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:26 am to auburnnyc94
Nobody wants to argue with me :(
FINE!!
FINE!!
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:26 am to metafour
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He also took care of the football and never turned it over at the insane clip that Ashford just did.
He had 3 interceptions game 1 against thUGA this year.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:27 am to jvilletiger25
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He had 3 interceptions game 1 against thUGA this year.
But finished with 6. You’re not winning that battle.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:28 am to jangalang
Robby Ashford is Cam Newton. End of story.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:28 am to jvilletiger25
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He had 3 interceptions game 1 against thUGA this year.
And yet he still threw less picks than Ashford. And I’m sure he had a lot less fumbles
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:30 am to Weagle25
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I will not be happy if we stick with Ashford with no transfer
True. We need a transfer QB, but it still could be interesting to see what schemes freeze can build around ashford and see if it works.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:31 am to Weagle25
If we are starting Ashford next year…
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:31 am to jangalang
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To be fair to Ashford us Freeze bashers were told Freeze could fix Ashford like he fixed Willis.
Willis couldn’t even do zone read at Auburn. He nearly had two safeties because he didn’t know when to give the ball up much less be a QB
Malik Willis got to throw the football 14 times at Auburn, and he completed 11 of those attempts (78%).
He ran the ball 28 times for 309 yards (11 yards per carry).
I understand that there is was a weak attempt to claim that he "couldn't do anything" at Auburn. Really, the actual case is that he was never given an opportunity to even attempt to show anything. When he did play, he never showed to be incompetent. I hope you understand that Malzahn's "zone reads" were all scripted for the most part (ie: it wasn't even a real option).
There is a big difference between a guy who gets to play a LOT and simply looks bad or highly flawed (Ashford), and a guy who just never even got the chance to show whether he was good or bad in the first place (Willis). Comparing Ashford to Willis is extremely lazy.
Posted on 12/20/22 at 9:31 am to Weagle25
Alright folks, for the sake of the thread, let’s try to reign in the Ashford discussion. We’ve got all off season to hash it out.
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