re: 2 quarterback offense?

I’ll tell you why he thinks that:

Because in land of milk bias and honey bias: Everyone can improve except for the guy that you think cannot improve.

Robbie ran for how much against Bama? Yeah I hope he battles his heart out. That’s what competition is good for.

If he doesn’t win he needs to play defense. He is a ball player.


Example:

People tried to explain to me that Calzada could improve but Bo couldn’t lol.

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I've never seen such jubilation and undying support for what is essentially a 3rd string QB.

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We just want a strong competition and consider it premature to say MJ is brought in to start. For all intents and purposes Ashford has a leg up now and it would be up to MJ to dethrone Ashford. I’m not seeing much that suggests MJ is much better than Ashford, but what’s most important is MJ hasn’t proven himself at Auburn yet either. Iron sharpens iron. I want the best man to win.

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And you know this how? For all we know, Ashford has had it locked up for weeks.

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We know this because Freeze has basically openly admitted that the QB's have not been good. You literally can't be helped at this point. I think you need to read the room a bit more. Your "for all we know" scenario would be obvious if it was actually what was going on lol. Instead, Freeze is doing everything he can to diplomatically tell you that we have no starting QB.

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And Ashford had a couple of great games last season too. How many Auburn QBs do you remember throwing for 300+ yards against LSU? And he also had the most rushing yards of any QB that Saban has ever faced. All that with a terrible oline.

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He did not have any great games and we lost almost every game he started. Your are delusional. Ahhh yes, he "ran" on Alabama in a game wherein we lost by 25 points lol. Are you actually serious?

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I would say the same for you. Ashford has shown flashes of being a really good QB. He’s by far the best we have currently. If someone comes in and beats him out, then they’re going to be pretty good. I’m all for the competition.

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He is not a good QB and you are delusional. Sorry. "He has shown flashes" - I can show you highlights of John Franklin III completing amazing passes. What, over the course of ~10 games worth of starts you saw Ashford make two dozen plays? This means frick-all. The mark of a QB is consistency play after play. Not fricking up three straight plays and then on the fourth play scrambling for 30 yards on a broken play.

Ashford's "flashes" are exactly how you lose 6+ games a season. Every shite QB can make a play every now and again. His problem is that like most athletes who aren't actually QB's, his "flashes" are more or less dependent on broken plays or busted coverages by the defense - then he scrambles around and makes a play. That's not how you win games in this conference, unofrtunately.

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Last year was really his first season. Played baseball and one season as the scout QB at Oregon doesn’t count.

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Wrong. He played a whopping 20 games for Oregon Baseball in his first season and then quit to focus on football permanently. He received two full years of coaching at Oregon and couldn't make a move at all on their depth chart. He then received one full year of coaching at Auburn last year. He just went through Spring Camp in year #4 of his collegiate career.

Who do you think you're lying to? He has received P5 coaching in FOOTBALL for 3 full years. In fact, he also played at Hoover HS which means that he received better coaching in HS than most kids could hope for.

The fact that this outright lie about him just needing "more time" is still prevalent is mind-blowing to me. He is in his 4th NCAA season. He has been playing and practicing football that entire time. If he was any good, you would have known that by now.

No need to argue.

When “Downtown Heisman Hank Brown” takes over we will go undefeated 3 straight years and the Heisman will be Hank’s all 3 years.

I guess I lean toward Jville.

The player that wins out real competition is better than we thought and our new savior.


Y’all know this by now.


It could be MJ and it could be Ashford.


But there is no way in hell I’m putting MJ over Ashford when he hasn’t earned shite or been through what Ashford went through.

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You are delusional if you don’t think he had a great game against the eventual SEC West champ. Tell me how many Auburn QBs have thrown for that much in a game? It’s not that often.

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Ok, so he had one good game. Do you know how many total crap QB's have had one good game? So your proof on Ashford is that after 3 full seasons of NCAA ball, he had one good game against LSU (a game we still lost)?

By the way, 61 of those yards against LSU came from a pass to Jarquez Hunter - a RB. Just saying.

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So it’s now the QB’s fault the defense sucked?

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No, you are just inventing useless data points.

"Most rush yards by a QB against Alabama". This is supposed to sound like he played amazing.

When in reality, you conveniently omit the fact that after Harsin was fired we resorted to basically running a 1950's offense that ran the ball 70% of the time with Ashford being used as a 3rd RB as much as he was a QB. We did this specifically because Ashford was hopeless as a passer.

So actually, Ashford ran for more yards than anyone else because MOST teams aren't going to resort to their QB running the ball 17 times against Alabama.

But more importantly, at no point in time during that game was Saban even in danger of being threatened. So your "stat" is meaningless. Do you think that Saban gives a crap about how many empty rushing yards Ashford ran up in a game that Saban won by 25 points?

In case you forgot, the score was 35-14 at halftime. Yes, Alabama didn't mind Ashford running the football because it kept the clock running and we were never coming back that way regardless.

But lastly - your big proof on why Ashford needs more time is a game wherein he ran for a lot of yards. He plays QB bruh. It kind of sounds to me like you think that maybe he should just switch positions and give it a go somewhere wherein he can just rely on athleticism? That's basically all he can do regardless.

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Right, Freeze loves Ashford - he's just trying to get some more competition for him

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This last sentence doesn't make sense at all

You literally just invalidated your whole point

Freeze is neutral while strengthening the position.. He just wants the best to win.

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But there is no way in hell I’m putting MJ over Ashford when he hasn’t earned shite or been through what Ashford went through.

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Also can you please provide more context here?

What exactly has Ashford "been through"?

The kid got insanely lucky last season that Calzada got hurt and then sat out when he could have played (he was healthy enough to go but opted for surgery). Finley got hurt and then quit too. That's legit the only reason why Ashford even saw the field and remained the starter.

Then, Freeze throws him an absolute CHARITY GIFT by opting to not bring in a transfer QB for the Spring even though Ashford and Finley were both bad last year. This actually gave Ashford the perfect window to prove himself as "the guy" while competing against two non-factors. And he still couldn't show enough.

The kid has actually been extremely lucky. He spent a combined 3 full seasons and 1 Spring camp competing with a bunch of pretty average to bad QB's, and he hasn't legitimately won a starting job even once. At Oregon he couldn't pass the Butterfield kid who ended up transferring to San Jose State, or the hyped kid Thompson who looked bad when he got into games last year as Nix's backup.

So when they bring in a transfer soon, it won't be "Ashford's the guy and this guy is here to try to snatch it from him". It will be the opposite.