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Posted on 7/1/19 at 6:17 pm to Stonehog
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Move to the Big 12 now. What the hell are we doing in this conference. Shared division "titles" in baseball? Whoop dee fricking doo.
This is such a loser attitude. College is all about coaching. Hell even Alabama sucked when they had shitty coaches. Bottom line is we have had one good football coach since the 80's basically and he got us to the Sugar/Cotton Bowls in back to back years.
I'm extremely excited to see what Muss can do, not sure about Morris yet
Posted on 7/1/19 at 6:52 pm to Hubbhogg
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College is all about coaching
Wow, you have to be extremely naive to believe this
Posted on 7/1/19 at 8:35 pm to Hubbhogg
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This is such a loser attitude.
No it's more like realizing you're in the wrong weight class and changing so you stop getting your arse kicked so much.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 7:58 am to Hubbhogg
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This is such a loser attitude. College is all about coaching. Hell even Alabama sucked when they had shitty coaches. Bottom line is we have had one good football coach since the 80's basically and he got us to the Sugar/Cotton Bowls in back to back years.
Some people are so quick to forget what Petrino did just a short time ago. Bert has really made everyone crazy. The recruiting is good right now, the Mississippi schools are trending down, and having to play Alabama, A&M, and LSU is not that different than Texas, Oklahoma, and TCU. Arkansas has actually been to the SEC championship game twice, more than others.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:14 am to JCdawg
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Some people are so quick to forget what Petrino did just a short time ago.
Two good seasons in almost three decades is not proof that we can compete in this conference. Those years were outliers and we still didn't even win the division. We have a losing record in the SEC and zero championships, that holds more weight than two good years under Petrino.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 11:52 am to JCdawg
quote:3 times but the point still remains.
Arkansas has actually been to the SEC championship game twice
Since the SEC created a title game the following teams have won the SEC championship in football:
Bama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee
Kentucky, Vandy, Ole Miss, and AnM have not made it to the title game. (AnM joined in 2012 but we made it within our first 4 seasons so they should have as well)
So by the prevailing logic of the "realists" only Bama, Auburn, LSU, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee belong in the SEC.
Our fans might hate the Razorbacks and shite on the track titles but the SEC shows respect for the championships we win:
"bunch of meadocratity suppartn loosers - tracks is for yankeez loosers.... hyuk hyuk hyuk"
Posted on 7/2/19 at 4:47 pm to Porcine Human
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Wow, you have to be extremely naive to believe this
Yeah I'm naive and have no idea about sports
Posted on 7/2/19 at 4:49 pm to Stonehog
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Two good seasons in almost three decades is not proof that we can compete in this conference. Those years were outliers and we still didn't even win the division. We have a losing record in the SEC and zero championships, that holds more weight than two good years under Petrino.
This was my whole point lol, we've had one good coach that entire time.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 4:51 pm to hilltophog
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Our fans might hate the Razorbacks and shite on the track titles
Why do you have this take? You must be around some people that skew your outlook because I don't get this at all. We certainly have a portion of our fan base that can be overly critical but from what I have seen, it isn't any bigger than most other fan bases. We definitely have a significant "homer" population as well.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 5:26 pm to Stonehog
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Two good seasons in almost three decades is not proof that we can compete in this conference. Those years were outliers and we still didn't even win the division. We have a losing record in the SEC and zero championships, that holds more weight than two good years under Petrino.
Before I get to my only response in this thread, I want to make clear. While I do not agree with your logic, I understand your reasoning.
Here is my take.
Winning an SEC or National Title takes quite a bit of luck along with good coaching and a good team. Since we joined the league in 1991-92 Arkansas has had 4 legit chances at winning the SEC and further competing for the National Title. All of those were squandered by bad coaching or just being in the toughest league in the nation.
1998: Bad luck. Arguably a team good enough to win the SEC Championship. The turnover in Tennessee inevitably cost the team two games and State ended up in the SEC title game.
2006: Bad Coaching. No way around it really. Team was talented enough to win the SEC title. Seeing the rest of the nations landscape, that team was a title contender on a national scale.
2010: Bad luck. Great team that did not get the bounces at Auburn. Legit team that could have won the SEC title against an inferior South Carolina team.
2011: Top 3 team in the nation. Great team that played other great teams on the road.
The way I look at it, which is obviously different than you look at it, is that the football program has had 4 legit shots at winning an SEC title or National title over the last 20 years. Outside of a handful of programs nationally, that is about all you can ask for.
It does not mean Arkansas doesn't belong in the SEC. If anything, what has been proven since Petrino left the program, is that Bert didn't belong in the SEC. We will see over the next couple of years if Chad belongs here. My feeling is yes recruiting wise. I think we will get a better feel for him in game this season with a few more pieces on the roster for him to work with.
The difference in an LSU and Arkansas, is that they have had just a bit more luck on their side. They have a national title over the last 15 years that was in a season with two losses. Other than that, there really isn't much difference in the two programs.
Point is, luck has a lot to do with it and decent coaching. If Houston Nutt can have two teams at Arkansas that had a legit shot at a national title and SEC title 8-9 weeks into the season, it can be done here.
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 4:54 am
Posted on 7/2/19 at 6:44 pm to Hawgeye
No, the difference between LSU and Arkansas is that they’re in a fertile recruiting state
Posted on 7/2/19 at 7:21 pm to Porcine Human
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No, the difference between LSU and Arkansas is that they’re in a fertile recruiting state
The name of the game if you were to just pick one aspect of CFB that matters the most. Miles had them rolling for awhile and it wasn't because of his brilliant mind. Obviously, you reach even higher levels with a good coach, plus good recruiting grounds.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 7:48 pm to Hawgeye
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The way I look at it, which is obviously different than you look at it, is that the football program has had 4 legit shots at winning an SEC title or National title over the last 20 years.
I agree with your breakdown of those four seasons, but it's been closer to 30 years. I also appreciate you and rockiee engaging in conversation instead of just mudslinging.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:12 pm to Porcine Human
quote:More like you have to be extremely unaware not to. Bama pre-Saban is the only example you need. At the end of the day you have to recruit and develop a bunch of high school kids. That's 100% coaching. Walking into a school in a good area for recruiting with a bunch of history doesn't guarantee wins. Just ask Shula.
Wow, you have to be extremely naive to believe this
This post was edited on 7/2/19 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:17 pm to Hawgeye
quote:They won a title with 2 losses. Hard to get luckier than that.
The different in an LSU and Arkansas, is that they have had just a bit more luck on their side.
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:38 pm to Drewbie
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Just ask Shula.
Yes, we all get it by this point. Alabama had some down years with some shite coaches. I'm not saying literally anybody can win at a blue blood, but some programs have higher ceilings and floors than others. Those down years don't change the fact that Alabama has one of the highest ceilings in all of college football.
By the way, during those down years, Shula, Franchione, and DuBose all had at least one 10 win season. Compare that to our down years.
And if it's all coaching, why the frick was Saban so mediocre at Michigan State? Les Miles the same at OSU? Chizik going from 5-19 at Iowa State to national champion at Auburn?
Posted on 7/2/19 at 10:54 pm to Porcine Human
quote:You mean like Petrino who won 5 games year 1 then later won 10 and 11 consecutively?
Compare that to our down years.
quote:Tell that to Clemson. They went 20 years without even winning their own conference, now look at them.
but some programs have higher ceilings and floors than others.
quote:The same reason Dabo was mediocre at Clemson before Morris. It's not just one person. Chizik got Gus' offense. Saban has obviously continued to adapt his entire coaching career which has included bringing in OCs with different philosophies than him. I know this may come as a shock, but people get better at things with more experience and the coaches that have stayed open-minded to different philosophies, especially offensively, are the ones that have remained successful.
And if it's all coaching, why the frick was Saban so mediocre at Michigan State? Les Miles the same at OSU? Chizik going from 5-19 at Iowa State to national champion at Auburn?
This post was edited on 7/2/19 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 7/3/19 at 5:00 am to Porcine Human
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No, the difference between LSU and Arkansas is that they’re in a fertile recruiting state
No, it has been coaching mixed with their talent. Saban got them there and then Miles kept in on the track just long enough. Luck also was on their side, winning a national title with a two loss team.
From 1980-2000 LSU had 10 losing seasons. Talent has always been in Louisiana, but luck and coaching haven't always been with LSU.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 6:51 am to Porcine Human
Your posts reflect both the attitude and the overwhelmingly classless rhetoric as your dead avatar.
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