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Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:05 pm to Stonehog
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:05 pm to Stonehog
So you want to nuke the financial support for all of the other sports and return to having to ask Texas for permission to wipe our own arse so you can feel good about still not winning championships in an even worse league for one sport?
I'm not sure where you get off thinking Arkansas has ever racked up conference titles on the regular. 6 of our 13 SWC titles were shared. That means from 1915 to 1991 we outright won our conference 7 times and the SWC was complete garbage top to bottom.
I'm not sure where you get off thinking Arkansas has ever racked up conference titles on the regular. 6 of our 13 SWC titles were shared. That means from 1915 to 1991 we outright won our conference 7 times and the SWC was complete garbage top to bottom.
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Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:27 pm to Drewbie
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So you want to nuke the financial support for all of the other sports
That wouldn't happen. Revenue distribution in the SEC isn't that much more than the Big 12. The Big 12 also allows schools to get individual rights deals, and that puts some of them over $40 million a year. We got about $43 million for being in the SEC last year, so it's not as dramatic as you're making it out to be.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:38 pm to Stonehog
Still no defense to the point of opting into less money switching entire conferences just for one sport. Having a hard time coming up with something?
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:46 pm to Drewbie
quote:Wouldn't happen. We leave the SEC.....Texas takes our spot and the BIG 12 falls apart or becomes the Sun Belt II.
So you want to nuke the financial support for all of the other sports and return to having to ask Texas for permission
This idea that winning conference championships in a weak conference helps with attendance and fans goes to the shitter when you look at those half empty stands in jonesboro. Fans want to see the Razorbacks compete and be successful but they also want to see them compete against top talent. Also, our recruiting class would be worse than it is now. Half the kids that come play for our football program replies to the generic "Why'd you pick Arkansas" with "It's the SEC".
Posted on 6/28/19 at 7:49 pm to hilltophog
quote:Another huge factor.
Half the kids that come play for our football program replies to the generic "Why'd you pick Arkansas" with "It's the SEC".
Wanting to leave is just a simple case of not being able to see the forest for the trees. It's short-sighted and irrational.
Another point is we're dumping a lot of money into our baseball program. There are way less schools that put the same effort and dedication into those programs in the Big 12 than the SEC and, again, it would impact recruiting not being in the best conference in baseball.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:15 pm to Drewbie
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Still no defense to the point of opting into less money switching entire conferences just for one sport.
Slightly less money, and it would be better for basketball too. Plus the Big 12 is a good baseball conference. And you're downplaying it by saying football is "just one sport." It's the sport that matters the most by far.
You still haven't admitted that you're wrong about LSU in football and this is the second time you've tried to make that point. I thought you would have learned from last time but you did the exact same thing.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:19 pm to hilltophog
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Half the kids that come play for our football program replies to the generic "Why'd you pick Arkansas" with "It's the SEC".
How has that worked out? We have a losing record in the SEC since we joined.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:29 pm to Stonehog
quote:You want to switch conferences to win more but want to jump into a basketball conference with Kansas when we can't even beat Auburn? Your logic is all over the place.
it would be better for basketball too.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:34 pm to Stonehog
quote:So by your logic ole miss and miss state should join the AAC or Conference USA b/c they both having losing records in football vs. the SEC.
How has that worked out? We have a losing record in the SEC since we joined.
That's some dumb shite right there.
Should Kansas leave the Big12 b/c they have a losing record in football.
I guess jonesboro tech needs to drop to DII seeing that they have an overall losing record.
Football makes money and attracts the most amount of t-shirters but it's not the be all - end all.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 8:39 pm to Drewbie
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You want to switch conferences to win more but want to jump into a basketball conference with Kansas when we can't even beat Auburn?
You're trying to compare two different sports now. Being in a better basketball conference helps for making the post season, being in a better football conference doesn't. Six-win teams in the Big 12 make the same tier bowls as six-win teams in the SEC. Win 18 games in the Big 12 and you're in the tournament, win 18 games in the SEC and you're barely on the bubble.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:03 pm to hilltophog
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ole miss and miss state
Kansas
I don't care what those teams do, I just care about what Arkansas does. I'd rather be in the Big 12 than the SEC, just my opinion. The most interest the football team got this year was when we announced we're playing Oklahoma State in 2024. Old rivalry and a close road game, which we would have a lot of if we moved.
This post was edited on 6/28/19 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:05 pm to Stonehog
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Win 18 games in the Big 12 and you're in the tournament, win 18 games in the SEC and you're barely on the bubble
True but one is more difficult than the other. It is getting more balanced but still not the same.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:17 pm to rockiee
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True but one is more difficult than the other.
Winning six football games in the SEC is harder too.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:36 pm to Stonehog
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Winning six football games in the SEC is harder too.
Yeah, no one disagrees with that
The argument is that you will have a similar issue in basketball that you have in football. You are right that conference prestige is very important in basketball but you can make an argument about conference prestige in football as well and it has nothing to do with which bowl game you will be selected to.
Baseball is another sport that would take a hit because of the conference move.
If football is the only sport that an individual cares about, I could understand trying to push this move more but I'm not that kind of person.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:42 pm to rockiee
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Baseball is another sport that would take a hit because of the conference move.
Why's that?
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:45 pm to Stonehog
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Why's that?
Talent, there is no doubt that playing in the SEC is a huge plus for many of our recruits. I believe it was Heston that talked about coming here was partly because you get to play in the best conference.
No doubt we would win more games in the regular season but in my opinion its reasonable to think that we will be worse off in the tournament.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 9:50 pm to rockiee
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No doubt we would win more games in the regular season but in my opinion its reasonable to think that we will be worse off in the tournament.
I disagree, Texas Tech has been to Omaha four of the last six years and they're recruiting to Lubbock. Texas has six national championships. I doubt we'd miss a beat in baseball moving to the Big 12.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 10:06 pm to Stonehog
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I doubt we'd miss a beat in baseball moving to the Big 12.
I just don't see how you couldn't concede a drop in recruiting. In theory, that right there is a reason to say it will take a hit.
Would we start sucking? Of course not but there is evidence to suggest a drop.
Over the last 5 years:
15 SEC teams have made the CWS
6 Big 12 teams have made the CWS
Now obviously the SEC has more teams so you'd expect it to be higher but not almost 3 times as high.
Posted on 6/28/19 at 10:42 pm to rockiee
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rockiee
You won't win, just sayin
Posted on 6/28/19 at 10:48 pm to ArHog
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You won't win, just sayin
I have already been through all of this more than once
I know I'm not going to change his mind but I find the discussion interesting and like to see how well he can defend some points and how well I can attack some of his.
Hell, us being in the Big 12 would actually allow me to see more games in general but that doesn't come close to trumping the other issues.
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