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Watts is better than agim
Posted on 11/23/18 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 11/23/18 at 1:56 pm
I'm glad hes a good player but damn why did we have to have one of the few 5 stars who doesn't live up to his potential smh
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Posted on 11/23/18 at 2:21 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Could be that Watts does so well because Agim gets so much attention. Just a thought.
To top it off, Watts was only offered to sway Brian Wallace our way.
To top it off, Watts was only offered to sway Brian Wallace our way.
This post was edited on 11/23/18 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 9/26/19 at 7:55 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I’m sure he’s a great person but agim has been one of the biggest busts I’ve ever seen. And I’ve been ridiculed for this take since his sophomore season when I said 5 stars are supposed to be guys that dominate and take over a game. He’s fell painfully short of this. I don’t wanna hear the excuses about position switching. As highly rated as he was it should’ve been obvious where to play him because he should be dominating at one position or the other (if not both)
Posted on 9/26/19 at 8:51 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:last year he got 10.5 TFLs, 4.5 sacks and 3 forced fumbles. He's double-teamed constantly as our best player and cause of the nature of DT. I'm not saying that's 5 star caliber numbers, but that's definitley 3rd to 4th round draft pick numbers, especially when you know he's gonna perform well at the combine. Just fyi he's on pace to beat or match all those numbers this season. I wouldn't say he's "painfully" fell short. He's a great college player just not a 1st round draft pick phenom.
He’s fell painfully short of this
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 8:59 am
Posted on 9/26/19 at 8:55 am to HogFanfromHTown
He couldn’t dominate against San Jose state? Or Colorado state. I doubt he goes in the top 4 rounds. Teams run anywhere and everywhere they want on us and I don’t just mean sec teams. You put trey flowers or Philon on this line and take agim off and we are instantly much better and instantly get a pass rush against teams. Do you not see that? And those weren’t 1st rd picks either.
He’s been an average college player far from great. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him step up and make a play in crunch time. The only time this entire season I remember him making plays was 1st qtr vs ole miss. Idc what you do against Portland state or in mop up time show me performance on meaningful snaps against meaningful opponents this was the number 11 player in the country out of high school we’re talking about. He was a bust plain and simple from where his expectations were
He’s been an average college player far from great. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him step up and make a play in crunch time. The only time this entire season I remember him making plays was 1st qtr vs ole miss. Idc what you do against Portland state or in mop up time show me performance on meaningful snaps against meaningful opponents this was the number 11 player in the country out of high school we’re talking about. He was a bust plain and simple from where his expectations were
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 8:57 am
Posted on 9/26/19 at 9:07 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
For starters Trey Flowers or Philion never played in a 3-4 as Agim did. So let's compare: Darrius Philon stats last year he was at Arkansas. 4.5 sacks 11 TFLs 1 FF. Trey Flowers: 6 sacks 15.5 TFLs 1 FF. Philion is pratically the exact same as Agim and Flowers is better but it's not insanely better.
Well there's still 8 games left to this year so I would hold off on saying he's a bust. Again his stats are not much different from the examples you gave but I admit Philion and Flowers weren't 5 stars. If you think Agim isn't going by round 4 if he keeps it up you don't understand the NFL draft.
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He was a bust plain and simple from where his expectations were
Well there's still 8 games left to this year so I would hold off on saying he's a bust. Again his stats are not much different from the examples you gave but I admit Philion and Flowers weren't 5 stars. If you think Agim isn't going by round 4 if he keeps it up you don't understand the NFL draft.
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 9:09 am
Posted on 9/26/19 at 9:16 am to HogFanfromHTown
Agim played in a 3-4 his sophomore year he was playing in a 4-3 last year Chavis has never ran a 3-4 so idk where you got that. Agim has played tackle and end in the 4-3 so maybe that’s what your talking about but the bottom line agim has never been an explosive player in college he’s never been conisitently disruptive. Go back and look at who philon and flowers best games were against vs agim and again the major point is those guys weren’t 5 stars and those guys still played just as gold or better than agim. No I do not believe agim will go too 4 rounds because I think when we hit the nest of our schedule he will disappear..again. I hope I’m wrong I hope he excels but I believe he will disappear and someone will take a later round flyer on him because he does have potential but he has yet to show it at Arkansas. He’s got to be more explosive if he ever wants to live up to the hype. He needs to slim way down and stop trying to play like a fat boy he was elite in high school playing defensive end I still don’t know why bert added 50 pounds and made him a tackle
Posted on 9/26/19 at 10:08 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Doesn’t help we have literally no one else on the line to take pressure off of him. I remember stories of him returning kicks in high school. He did make a nice play against Portland state where he chased the QB down from behind but I would agree he doesn’t show that type of freak athleticism consistently.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 10:19 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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No I do not believe agim will go too 4 rounds because I think when we hit the nest of our schedule he will disappear..again
I'm not going to go through his game by game stats but saying he disappears in SEC games is just false lol.
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those guys weren’t 5 stars
Well he was a 5 star on 247 (20 out of 26). ESPN & Rivals had him as a 4 star. Would you have even made a thread if 247 hadn't given him a low grade 5th star? That's why I hate the star system. It really doesn't mean jack shite a highly rated 4 star and a low rsted 5th star are hardly different. McTelvin was playing for Hope HS against horrible competition. He shouldn't have been a 5 star based on that. For lineman, unless you're playing top level Florida, Texas, or California football you can't be that confident on how they're gonna transition to the next level. The competition difference is insane. He was 6'2" 265 and ran under a 4.9 (now he's 6'3" 295 and probably runs under a 4.8 which is why he's gonna get drafted in rounds 3 to 4 if he has consistent production because he's got the measurables). Really all I'm trying to say is if you count Philion & Flowers as having "great" seasons then McTelvin must be at least good or at worst above average and you shouldn't judge how he's doing based off of one recruitng website giving him that 5th star. By all objective meausrements he's a great player just not phenomenal.
This post was edited on 9/26/19 at 10:22 am
Posted on 9/26/19 at 10:23 am to gohogs141
Agim would be a beast of a DE if he had decent interior linemen around him.
And better linebackers.
And better DBs.
Instead he’s a pedestrian DT on paper.
That’s on the program he’s in, and the coaches he’s played for.
And better linebackers.
And better DBs.
Instead he’s a pedestrian DT on paper.
That’s on the program he’s in, and the coaches he’s played for.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 11:16 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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'm glad hes a good player but damn why did we have to have one of the few 5 stars who doesn't live up to his potential smh
Have we ever landed a 5 star that did live up to the hype? I can't recall one. Don't get me wrong some have been good players just not game changers.
That's one of the reasons I don't buy into the recruiting services rankings. It's a decent barometer but guys have to be coached up and developed when they get on campus.
Agim hasn't been a noticeable factor this year, but you could say the same for Scoota. He's gotten sealed off by a guard on nearly every long run straight up the gut. Both of those guys are probably trying to do to much; but no one else has stepped up and given opposing teams any reason to game plan for.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 12:50 pm to GoldenSombrero
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Have we ever landed a 5 star that did live up to the hype? I can't recall one. Don't get me wrong some have been good players just not game changers
This one did ok:
LINK
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:41 pm to Poker_hog
I would have bet money he was a 4-star, but you're right.
Normally when I think about our 5-star recruits I think:
Winston
Batman
Mustain
Brashers
Add in McFadden and Agim. I guess that's it.
Normally when I think about our 5-star recruits I think:
Winston
Batman
Mustain
Brashers
Add in McFadden and Agim. I guess that's it.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 2:42 pm to GoldenSombrero
BTW in looking back thru the historical rivals rankings, it's amazing to see how many 4 stars we've signed that were complete busts or never even played here.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 3:50 pm to GoldenSombrero
Would have to research, but I don't think McFadden was a 5*.
Maybe on one of the services, but I don't recall it.
Maybe on one of the services, but I don't recall it.
Posted on 9/26/19 at 4:16 pm to WonderWartHawg
he was. 2nd rated athlete in the country behind a dude that went to virginia tech
Posted on 9/26/19 at 6:10 pm to WonderWartHawg
He was a 4 star on scout I believe
Posted on 9/26/19 at 7:57 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
One problem with this, we are comparing players on our team. Against other competition we suck period...
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