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re: Today I’m thankful we have Pittman and not someone like Harsin
Posted on 2/8/22 at 6:20 am to FleaMarketBill
Posted on 2/8/22 at 6:20 am to FleaMarketBill
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You ever heard of a negotiation? He went high and the University will counter and they'll meet somewhere in the middle and nothing at all is wrong with that
Then you’re getting bent out of shape for no reason. My position this whole time is that we shouldn’t pay him 7. I guess you weren’t aware of his demands.
Point is he’s a greedy piece of shite who hired Sexton and immediately asked for double his salary and started floating his name when vacancies popped up. I thought he was different but he’s not, just a typical modern coach who’s looking to retire early.
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 6:23 am
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Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:31 am to Stonehog
He is in his early 60s. His goal is to have an early retirement.
I wouldn't put him on the level of POS that Nutt was just yet. If he gets overpaid and starts slacking off then we know for sure that he is entirely milking it as much as he can for a short stay. Hopefully it doesn't turn into a disaster and if it does then razorback football will never be a winner as Arkansas just keeps hiring frauds.
I wouldn't put him on the level of POS that Nutt was just yet. If he gets overpaid and starts slacking off then we know for sure that he is entirely milking it as much as he can for a short stay. Hopefully it doesn't turn into a disaster and if it does then razorback football will never be a winner as Arkansas just keeps hiring frauds.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:37 am to Stonehog
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Point is he’s a greedy piece of shite who hired Sexton and immediately asked for double his salary and started floating his name when vacancies popped up. I thought he was different but he’s not, just a typical modern coach who’s looking to retire early.
What number would you be ok with? 5? 5+ incentives to hit numbers? 7 with a huge buyout for him to leave and no buyout for losses, fired with cause?
Posted on 2/8/22 at 7:38 am to dchog
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Arkansas just keeps hiring frauds.
I think that’s why everyone is here with skeptical eyes…
Posted on 2/8/22 at 8:26 am to FayetteNAM
Sam needs to keep winning and Arkansas needs to keep him hungry by not overpaying his salary after one decent year.
The problem is the market is way overpaying these coaches and most of them suck in the SEC for the resume prior to what they have done and today. I don't see any reason Sam needs to get paid 7 million for a very small resume. The same absurdity with Billy Napier and Florida, overpaying for a nobody. At some point the bubble needs to burst and stop building these nest eggs.
The problem is the market is way overpaying these coaches and most of them suck in the SEC for the resume prior to what they have done and today. I don't see any reason Sam needs to get paid 7 million for a very small resume. The same absurdity with Billy Napier and Florida, overpaying for a nobody. At some point the bubble needs to burst and stop building these nest eggs.
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 8:34 am
Posted on 2/8/22 at 8:39 am to dchog
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The problem is the market is way overpaying these coaches
This is exactly the point. We could probably argue that more than half of coaches in P5 are being overpaid. You either partly play this game or take the chance on getting left behind.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 8:40 am to FayetteNAM
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What number would you be ok with? 5? 5+ incentives to hit numbers?
I think 4.5 with $500,000 for every win over 6 would be good.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 8:52 am to Stonehog
Another thread full of shitty takes by Stonehog. This isn't remotely like the JL and fat arse situation so don't make that comparison. Sam will get around 7mil because that is the going rate for a competitive coach and he hired an agent that will get him what he's worth.
The man has overachieved in every possible area you could judge him by. Playing above his talent? Check. Hiring and KEEPING good coordinators? Check. Transfer portal? Huge check. High school recruiting is the only thing he has come in about average at and next years class looks like one that will finish well above that.
While everyone liked his previous contract, he only got in that set up because he had a poor agent. I would be really surprised if Sexton let the per win BS fly.
The man has overachieved in every possible area you could judge him by. Playing above his talent? Check. Hiring and KEEPING good coordinators? Check. Transfer portal? Huge check. High school recruiting is the only thing he has come in about average at and next years class looks like one that will finish well above that.
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I think 4.5 with $500,000 for every win over 6 would be good.
While everyone liked his previous contract, he only got in that set up because he had a poor agent. I would be really surprised if Sexton let the per win BS fly.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 9:05 am to V Bainbridge
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This isn't remotely like the JL and fat arse situation so don't make that comparison.
It’s the exact same. Y’all wanna back the truck up for one good year because we were so terrible before, and you think 9 wins is the norm now. You’re like battered wives. You keep getting screwed by terrible contracts thinking this time it will be different.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 9:19 am to Stonehog
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Y’all wanna back the truck up for one good year because we were so terrible before
When Bert got his contract after the Texas bowl win which was only 7 wins btw, we were just three years removed from finishing top 5 in the country with 11 wins.
When Sam gets his contract after 9 wins, it had been 4 years since we had winning record.
You can keep saying its the same thing but its really not
Posted on 2/8/22 at 9:24 am to rockiee
Don't bother. He gets locked in to his opinion and when presented with facts and logic doubles down on it. This is the Ark to the B12 thing all over again. He will calm down and realize he is wrong later.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 9:28 am to V Bainbridge
If Sam is going to get paid 7 million a year then I expect him to go 9-3/10-2 most years and win some SEC titles. If not then the coaching search starts all over again.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 9:38 am to V Bainbridge
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He will calm down and realize he is wrong later.
Eh, I think he will walk back the POS remarks but not the salary stuff
Posted on 2/8/22 at 9:55 am to dchog
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If Sam is going to get paid 7 million a year then I expect him to go 9-3/10-2 most years and win some SEC titles
I've said this before and people don't want to hear it but this is outdated thinking. When the rates for coaches go up, you pay those rates or you fall behind. The rates for coaches have gone up. Complaining that they get paid too much is a different conversation.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 10:13 am to rockiee
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You can keep saying its the same thing but its really not
You’re nitpicking now, but we lived through the Petrino fiasco, John L, and 3-9 with Bielema. You’re just calling that entire horrible scenario “three years.”
Posted on 2/8/22 at 10:19 am to V Bainbridge
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When the rates for coaches go up, you pay those rates or you fall behind.
Rates for coaches with Pittman’s resume have not gone up. He’s asking for more than Kirby Smart.
And y’all wanna give it to him so he won’t go….where exactly?
Posted on 2/8/22 at 10:49 am to Stonehog
Smart is paid 6 million a year and has won four SEC East titles, an SEC title and a CFB title.
Saban is paid 9 million a year and has won multiple titles from two schools. No matter what the market says, Pittman should not be paid any salary close to those two unless Arkansas goes full Aggie and you never go full Aggie.
Saban is paid 9 million a year and has won multiple titles from two schools. No matter what the market says, Pittman should not be paid any salary close to those two unless Arkansas goes full Aggie and you never go full Aggie.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:01 am to dchog
Agreed 100 percent. If Sam wins the SEC at Arkansas, back up the truck and pay him bigly.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:05 am to dchog
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Smart is paid 6 million a year and has won four SEC East titles, an SEC title and a CFB title.
Saban is paid 9 million a year and has won multiple titles from two schools. No matter what the market says, Pittman should not be paid any salary close to those two unless Arkansas goes full Aggie and you never go full Aggie.
But with the recent trends in salaries and raises... Is 7 million asking for too much? It is an "ask" not an expected outcome.
What is Smart getting this year? Kiff? where does pittman fall in this schematic?
Posted on 2/8/22 at 11:07 am to Razorback Reverend
According to USA Today, here's what the current salaries are for SEC coaches that break the national top 10 list.
10. Kirby Smart salary: $7.133 million +$850,000 bonus
9. Lane Kiffin salary: $7.25 million
8. Jimbo Fisher salary: $7.5 million
3. Nick Saban salary: $9,753,221 million
2. Brian Kelly salary: $9.5 million
10. Kirby Smart salary: $7.133 million +$850,000 bonus
9. Lane Kiffin salary: $7.25 million
8. Jimbo Fisher salary: $7.5 million
3. Nick Saban salary: $9,753,221 million
2. Brian Kelly salary: $9.5 million
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