re: some numbers

I refuse to be comforted by stats. My butthurt is too deep.

don't know where to start on all the responses, but this isn't necessarily about whether the whole conference was harder but more about the overall schedule in general.

Here's some more to think about:
Avg national recruiting ranking for the SEC West for '07-'10(1 year before Petrino to account for actual contributions) was 19.1

Avg national recruiting ranking for the SEC West for '12-'16(1 year before Bielema to account for actual contributions) was 14.3

Also, in terms of who got handed a better or worse situation, the 4 years leading up to Petrino, Arkansas ranked 4.5th on average in the SEC West in recruiting(Nutt's last 4 years) and the 4 years leading up to Bielema, our average SEC West ranking in recruiting was 5.5(with the last 3 years being 6th, 5th, 6th)

In his first 4 years, Bielema played 18 "Top 15" teams and won 4, so 22%
and Petrino played 14 "Top 15" teams and won 3 or 21%
So Bielema had 4 more Top 15's on his schedule but has a slightly better win %


In addition, Bielema played 24 "< Top 75" teams and Petrino played 26

Also noteworthy, that A&M may be down, but as of now they still rank 30th in the '17 rankings with TCU at 16th.


So, believe me, I am right there with being totally frustrated with where we are, especially O-line wise, but just wanted to provide some interesting data on how the strength of schedule has looked and where it is headed. Again, if the wheels fall off and we drop 7 or more games this year, he should go. Statistically, we should win about 7 this year still with a good chance for 9 next year.

Also, if your response is simply, Petrino would have gone 13-0 and never lost to A&M, blah blah blah...Please remind yourself that he is still today dropping games to Pitt and Kentucky with a heisman QB.

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So essentially the same except another team was added to the division...

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no, A&M was only counted in the years they were here, 2012, so the awesome Petrino, John L combo went 6th out of 6, 5th out of 6 and 6th out of 7 in those last 3 years....coming off 10 and 11 win seasons....while Petrino was fcking a co-ed

admiralduckwad sucks.

Who let this arse clown in the board?

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Also if A&M fires Sumlin it most certainly sets them back, just like it already is for LSU.

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This is complete conjecture rooted in fanboy homerism.

A&M isn't going to suck just because you want them to. They could hire Chip Kelly or they could hire Houston Nutt, but the hire and corresponding impact remain to be seen.

Firing a coach doesn't always equate to "setting a program back," especially in the early going.

Auburn wasn't set back in 2013 by firing Chizik. A&M wasn't set back in 2012 by firing Sherman. Florida won the East the year after firing Boom.

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Firing a coach doesn't always equate to "setting a program back," especially in the early going.

Auburn wasn't set back in 2013 by firing Chizik. A&M wasn't set back in 2012 by firing Sherman. Florida won the East the year after firing Boom.

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I like to think of it in medical terms.

I had a spider bite on my ankle some years back. Well that sucked.

It developed necrotic tissue to the point I was running a fever and the sore had ruptured and was oozing something horrible. (Note this all happened over just a few days.) That really sucked.

I went to the doctor to get this taken care of and the local anesthesia they used didn't actually numb down as deep as the infection so I actually felt them removing bits of my body with a sharpened blade. That, sucked beyond belief.

I'd still rather have gone through the pain of them digging out diseased parts then have left them there.

The thing is you can turn your eyes and squint and make damn near anything seem endurable. At some point you have to realize, its time to get out the scalpel and remove the dead tissue. We are in year 5 of the Bert experience and he's posting records that we have to go back to the 40's and 50's to match. We have tilted our heads and squinted as much as can be done.

If he doesn't improve dramatically this year then why bring him back? Better the agony of cutting him away then letting this fester.

If there is a pain in the setback of getting a new coach... is the program healthier afterwards? If so... better a little pain now then a slow, lingering, death after.

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Firing a coach doesn't always equate to "setting a program back," especially in the early going. Auburn wasn't set back in 2013 by firing Chizik. A&M wasn't set back in 2012 by firing Sherman. Florida won the East the year after firing Boom.

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it definitely doesn't if the predecessor turned in 2 top 10 recruiting classes, you luck into a once in a generation talent like Manziel or reside in shtty division. Unless there is a Manziel on this team, im crossing all 3 of these off for us, but maybe A&M is chalk full of them.

But sometimes it does. See Spurrier leaving because Florida fans were getting fed up with just 9-10 win seasons. Or Fulmer at Tenn. or Nebraska's constant boom/bust after they fire 70%+ coaches

Also, id point out there's a huge selective memory bias in saying we should have gone 13-0 in 2010 when we lucked by Miss St in double OT or how about having to come back in the 4Q against Vandy in 2011, in addition to barely escaping Texas A&M that year?

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Do you really think Petrino's teams playing Vandy twice accounts for the enormous discrepancy in conference success? Or does the fact that Bielema had to play a murderer's row of Toledo, Rutgers, and Texas Tech OOC account for the enormous overall record discrepancy?

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I don't know what to tell you...
Bielema played more top 15, top 25, and top 30 teams in his first four years than petrino did. It's pretty straightforward.

In the last 2 years his win % vs those teams is equal or better than petrino. It's just numbers.