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Pittman hiring Enos would make HDN proud

Posted on 10/8/23 at 4:52 pm
Posted by Latarian
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 4:52 pm
GOBN arse hire, so many better options. Thought we were past this shite, guess not.

:inb4butmuh2015:
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 4:56 pm to

On paper, Enos is a decent to above average hire and OC. We have the skill players on that side of the ball to be a good offense, there's just something that isn't clicking between Enos, Jefferson, and the Oline.

The Oline is bad, very bad at opening holes and getting push for the run game to get going, but they're giving KJ time to throw and keeping a decent pocket often in the pass game. How much of our inability to open up the running game and keep the defense honest comes from our lack of a decent passing game threat?

It's easy for a DC to sell out to stop the run when we can't make them pay for it through the air. Who's fault is that? Legitimately asking.

Something out of the 3 - or all 3 between Enos, KJ, and the Oline - are not working together.
Posted by hawgfaninc
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:10 pm to
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On paper, Enos is a decent to above average hire and OC. We have the skill players on that side of the ball to be a good offense, there's just something that isn't clicking between Enos, Jefferson, and the Oline.

Posted by Latarian
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:12 pm to
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Enos is a decent to above average hire and OC


That’s fine if you have a proven successful head coach, not one who’s success depends solely on the coordinators he hires.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:34 pm to
for years, we had a fan base bitch and moan about wishing we had a CEO coach like Saban, and others.. One that would hire great recruiters, and coordinators...

Whelp, we have one... The hirings may not have been awesome, but we have tried it now.

Man, I do think you are jumping off of a cliff here bro. Back up a bit and think. This seems terrible, but it isn't as bad as it currently seems.

Since joining the SEC

Danny Ford 1 bowl game in 5 years, with a Loss
HDN 8 bowl games in 10 years, with 2 wins, 6 loss
BP 3 bowl games in 4 years, with 1 loss...
JLS (Smile) LOL
Bert 3 bowl games in 5 years, with 1 loss
Chad LOL
Pittman Qualified for 3 bowl games in 4 years so far. With one cancelled (covid) and 2 wins.

So, HDN got us there more to embarrassing results in a much easier SEC. Petrino was incredible but lost to tattoo u... and wrecked shop. His wreck, lies, and actions are why we are where we are imho.

Bert, wasn't bad in getting there... But got lazy and drunk.

Chad... Smile... LOL

Sam has gotten us to 3 without a loss yet. I think we need to chill until after Alabama and see where we are at the following few games.
Posted by silverstreak
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:36 pm to
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On paper, Enos is a decent to above average hire and OC.
Not exactly. If you look at his stats, he had one good season. Outside of that, he's been average at best and his playcalling is extremely predictable.

If you want to average around 25 ppg and 4 yards per carry, he's your guy.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:53 pm to
2015
Sept. 5 UTEP No. 18 W, 48-13
Sept. 12 Toledo (Little Rock) L, 16-12
Sept. 19 Texas Tech L, 35-24
Sept. 26 Texas A&M (Arlington)No. 14 L,28-21 (OT)
Oct. 3 at Tennessee W, 24-20
Oct. 10 at Alabama No. 8 L, 27-14
Oct. 24 Auburn W, 54-46 (4OT)
Oct. 31 UT Martin W, 63-28
Nov. 7 at Ole Miss No. 18 W, 53-52 (OT) Box Score
Nov. 14 at LSU No. 9 W, 31-14
Nov. 21 Mississippi State L, 51-50
Nov. 27 Missouri W, 28-3 Box Score
Jan. 2 (Liberty Bowl) Kansas State (Memphis, Tenn.) W, 45-23

I see 48 points, 54, 63, 53, 51, 45, in this one season with Enos...

In 2016 these are the points scored in some games...
21, 41, 42, 45, 52, 49, 34, 56, 31, 38, 58, 28, 35
40.76 points average per game... Less than the losing season below... Defense anyone?


In 2017 these are the points in a losing season.
49, 28, 50, 42, 48, 41, 52, 38, 39, 33, 28, 48

41.3 points average a game. DEfense must have sucked, right?

Doesn't really correlate with what everyone is bitching about. He is NOT a bad OC... but he has a bad Oline and mediocre Qback.
Posted by Latarian
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:17 pm to
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for years, we had a fan base bitch and moan about wishing we had a CEO coach like Saban


Saban is literally the greatest defensive coach in college football history. He’s not a “CEO” coach in how it’s being defined. In Pittman’s case it’s someone who isn’t a top tier offensive or defensive mind who instead delegates all responsibility on both sides of the ball to his coordinators. There aren’t many cases bc it rarely works.
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 6:19 pm
Posted by dchog
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:20 pm to
He was a high level recruiter before he came to Bama.

Combine his recruiting with the massive historic success of Alabama and you got a monster.
Posted by Latarian
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:23 pm to
Right but with Saban you know you’ll always have a solid defense and can churn through offensive coordinators as needed. With Sam you run a high risk of not being good at either bc he doesn’t specialize in coaching either side, he caught lightning in a bottle one year but it’s not sustainable just based on regular coordinator churn.
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted by silverstreak
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:30 pm to
I gave him 2015. Your numbers for the other seasons are incorrect. Check cfbstats.com. I think you're counting our opponents scores in games that we lost.

In 2016, we averaged 30.3 ppg. Take out a couple fcs cupcakes and easily in the 20s.

In 2017, we averaged 28.6.

Also, don't forget his other stops. At Miami, he averaged 25.7. If you take out a 63-0 win against cupcake Bethune-Cookman, he only averaged 22.6.

You get the idea.



Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:32 pm to
Probably... But folks still asked on ville, and even here why we don't just hire a CEO type. However, this thread is basically saying Enos sucks. I provided some answers as to how he didn't suck at all last time we were here.

In fact, while we are at it...

BP in 2011 averaged only 40.92 points a game... #5 in the nation against K State in the Cotton Bowl

2010
BP averaged, 38.84 points a game...

So, Enos was on par with BP in Points Per Game his last stint at Arkansas. Hey folks, are you paying attention ? (Not directed at you Lat) But Unbelievable that we believe he is the problem overall.
Posted by silverstreak
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:38 pm to
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So, Enos was on par with BP in Points Per Game his last stint at Arkansas.
he wasn't. See ny above post. Your numbers are off.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:48 pm to
Pretty sure nutt had Arkansas in the top three of ppg his final two seasons.

Let's not pretend scoring the Red zone tds is a new problem that started this season, however.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:52 pm to
well damn, I was getting excited. I will look again, thanks
Posted by silverstreak
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:59 pm to
it happens. I was thinking, if he'd done that well in 17, Bert would still be hitting up Dickson
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:51 pm to
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That’s fine if you have a proven successful head coach, not one who’s success depends solely on the coordinators he hires.

I've been saying this. If you're going to be a CEO coach you have to be in a major recruiting hotbed or an elite recruiter.

Arkansas needs an elite offensive mind to run things. We know this based on BP and Gus while they were here. Both were innovative
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:54 pm to
So who is a current innovative HC or OC that would leave their current position to come here?

If OC how big of a gamble would it be?

Smart was "just a dc", but his experience as a dc at bama reduced the odds. He would not leave bama for Arkansas when it was tried.
Posted by Jack Ruby
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:33 pm to
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we had a fan base bitch and moan about wishing we had a CEO coach like Saban


Saban is basically the co-DB coach and Co-DC for Alabama and always has been. Not really the definition of a 'CEO' coach.
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:44 pm to
He also micromanaged the offense until he had no choice but to let go of the reigns in order to remain competitive on the field.
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