Started By
Message
Pittman hiring Enos would make HDN proud
Posted on 10/8/23 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 10/8/23 at 4:52 pm
GOBN arse hire, so many better options. Thought we were past this shite, guess not.
:inb4butmuh2015:
:inb4butmuh2015:
Posted on 10/8/23 at 4:56 pm to Latarian
On paper, Enos is a decent to above average hire and OC. We have the skill players on that side of the ball to be a good offense, there's just something that isn't clicking between Enos, Jefferson, and the Oline.
The Oline is bad, very bad at opening holes and getting push for the run game to get going, but they're giving KJ time to throw and keeping a decent pocket often in the pass game. How much of our inability to open up the running game and keep the defense honest comes from our lack of a decent passing game threat?
It's easy for a DC to sell out to stop the run when we can't make them pay for it through the air. Who's fault is that? Legitimately asking.
Something out of the 3 - or all 3 between Enos, KJ, and the Oline - are not working together.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:10 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:
On paper, Enos is a decent to above average hire and OC. We have the skill players on that side of the ball to be a good offense, there's just something that isn't clicking between Enos, Jefferson, and the Oline.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:12 pm to hawgfaninc
quote:
Enos is a decent to above average hire and OC
That’s fine if you have a proven successful head coach, not one who’s success depends solely on the coordinators he hires.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:34 pm to Latarian
for years, we had a fan base bitch and moan about wishing we had a CEO coach like Saban, and others.. One that would hire great recruiters, and coordinators...
Whelp, we have one... The hirings may not have been awesome, but we have tried it now.
Man, I do think you are jumping off of a cliff here bro. Back up a bit and think. This seems terrible, but it isn't as bad as it currently seems.
Since joining the SEC
Danny Ford 1 bowl game in 5 years, with a Loss
HDN 8 bowl games in 10 years, with 2 wins, 6 loss
BP 3 bowl games in 4 years, with 1 loss...
JLS (Smile) LOL
Bert 3 bowl games in 5 years, with 1 loss
Chad LOL
Pittman Qualified for 3 bowl games in 4 years so far. With one cancelled (covid) and 2 wins.
So, HDN got us there more to embarrassing results in a much easier SEC. Petrino was incredible but lost to tattoo u... and wrecked shop. His wreck, lies, and actions are why we are where we are imho.
Bert, wasn't bad in getting there... But got lazy and drunk.
Chad... Smile... LOL
Sam has gotten us to 3 without a loss yet. I think we need to chill until after Alabama and see where we are at the following few games.
Whelp, we have one... The hirings may not have been awesome, but we have tried it now.
Man, I do think you are jumping off of a cliff here bro. Back up a bit and think. This seems terrible, but it isn't as bad as it currently seems.
Since joining the SEC
Danny Ford 1 bowl game in 5 years, with a Loss
HDN 8 bowl games in 10 years, with 2 wins, 6 loss
BP 3 bowl games in 4 years, with 1 loss...
JLS (Smile) LOL
Bert 3 bowl games in 5 years, with 1 loss
Chad LOL
Pittman Qualified for 3 bowl games in 4 years so far. With one cancelled (covid) and 2 wins.
So, HDN got us there more to embarrassing results in a much easier SEC. Petrino was incredible but lost to tattoo u... and wrecked shop. His wreck, lies, and actions are why we are where we are imho.
Bert, wasn't bad in getting there... But got lazy and drunk.
Chad... Smile... LOL
Sam has gotten us to 3 without a loss yet. I think we need to chill until after Alabama and see where we are at the following few games.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:36 pm to RazorBroncs
quote:Not exactly. If you look at his stats, he had one good season. Outside of that, he's been average at best and his playcalling is extremely predictable.
On paper, Enos is a decent to above average hire and OC.
If you want to average around 25 ppg and 4 yards per carry, he's your guy.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 5:53 pm to silverstreak
2015
Sept. 5 UTEP No. 18 W, 48-13
Sept. 12 Toledo (Little Rock) L, 16-12
Sept. 19 Texas Tech L, 35-24
Sept. 26 Texas A&M (Arlington)No. 14 L,28-21 (OT)
Oct. 3 at Tennessee W, 24-20
Oct. 10 at Alabama No. 8 L, 27-14
Oct. 24 Auburn W, 54-46 (4OT)
Oct. 31 UT Martin W, 63-28
Nov. 7 at Ole Miss No. 18 W, 53-52 (OT) Box Score
Nov. 14 at LSU No. 9 W, 31-14
Nov. 21 Mississippi State L, 51-50
Nov. 27 Missouri W, 28-3 Box Score
Jan. 2 (Liberty Bowl) Kansas State (Memphis, Tenn.) W, 45-23
I see 48 points, 54, 63, 53, 51, 45, in this one season with Enos...
In 2016 these are the points scored in some games...
21, 41, 42, 45, 52, 49, 34, 56, 31, 38, 58, 28, 35
40.76 points average per game... Less than the losing season below... Defense anyone?
In 2017 these are the points in a losing season.
49, 28, 50, 42, 48, 41, 52, 38, 39, 33, 28, 48
41.3 points average a game. DEfense must have sucked, right?
Doesn't really correlate with what everyone is bitching about. He is NOT a bad OC... but he has a bad Oline and mediocre Qback.
Sept. 5 UTEP No. 18 W, 48-13
Sept. 12 Toledo (Little Rock) L, 16-12
Sept. 19 Texas Tech L, 35-24
Sept. 26 Texas A&M (Arlington)No. 14 L,28-21 (OT)
Oct. 3 at Tennessee W, 24-20
Oct. 10 at Alabama No. 8 L, 27-14
Oct. 24 Auburn W, 54-46 (4OT)
Oct. 31 UT Martin W, 63-28
Nov. 7 at Ole Miss No. 18 W, 53-52 (OT) Box Score
Nov. 14 at LSU No. 9 W, 31-14
Nov. 21 Mississippi State L, 51-50
Nov. 27 Missouri W, 28-3 Box Score
Jan. 2 (Liberty Bowl) Kansas State (Memphis, Tenn.) W, 45-23
I see 48 points, 54, 63, 53, 51, 45, in this one season with Enos...
In 2016 these are the points scored in some games...
21, 41, 42, 45, 52, 49, 34, 56, 31, 38, 58, 28, 35
40.76 points average per game... Less than the losing season below... Defense anyone?
In 2017 these are the points in a losing season.
49, 28, 50, 42, 48, 41, 52, 38, 39, 33, 28, 48
41.3 points average a game. DEfense must have sucked, right?
Doesn't really correlate with what everyone is bitching about. He is NOT a bad OC... but he has a bad Oline and mediocre Qback.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:17 pm to Razorback Reverend
quote:
for years, we had a fan base bitch and moan about wishing we had a CEO coach like Saban
Saban is literally the greatest defensive coach in college football history. He’s not a “CEO” coach in how it’s being defined. In Pittman’s case it’s someone who isn’t a top tier offensive or defensive mind who instead delegates all responsibility on both sides of the ball to his coordinators. There aren’t many cases bc it rarely works.
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:20 pm to Latarian
He was a high level recruiter before he came to Bama.
Combine his recruiting with the massive historic success of Alabama and you got a monster.
Combine his recruiting with the massive historic success of Alabama and you got a monster.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:23 pm to dchog
Right but with Saban you know you’ll always have a solid defense and can churn through offensive coordinators as needed. With Sam you run a high risk of not being good at either bc he doesn’t specialize in coaching either side, he caught lightning in a bottle one year but it’s not sustainable just based on regular coordinator churn.
This post was edited on 10/8/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:30 pm to Razorback Reverend
I gave him 2015. Your numbers for the other seasons are incorrect. Check cfbstats.com. I think you're counting our opponents scores in games that we lost.
In 2016, we averaged 30.3 ppg. Take out a couple fcs cupcakes and easily in the 20s.
In 2017, we averaged 28.6.
Also, don't forget his other stops. At Miami, he averaged 25.7. If you take out a 63-0 win against cupcake Bethune-Cookman, he only averaged 22.6.
You get the idea.
In 2016, we averaged 30.3 ppg. Take out a couple fcs cupcakes and easily in the 20s.
In 2017, we averaged 28.6.
Also, don't forget his other stops. At Miami, he averaged 25.7. If you take out a 63-0 win against cupcake Bethune-Cookman, he only averaged 22.6.
You get the idea.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:32 pm to Latarian
Probably... But folks still asked on ville, and even here why we don't just hire a CEO type. However, this thread is basically saying Enos sucks. I provided some answers as to how he didn't suck at all last time we were here.
In fact, while we are at it...
BP in 2011 averaged only 40.92 points a game... #5 in the nation against K State in the Cotton Bowl
2010
BP averaged, 38.84 points a game...
So, Enos was on par with BP in Points Per Game his last stint at Arkansas. Hey folks, are you paying attention ? (Not directed at you Lat) But Unbelievable that we believe he is the problem overall.
In fact, while we are at it...
BP in 2011 averaged only 40.92 points a game... #5 in the nation against K State in the Cotton Bowl
2010
BP averaged, 38.84 points a game...
So, Enos was on par with BP in Points Per Game his last stint at Arkansas. Hey folks, are you paying attention ? (Not directed at you Lat) But Unbelievable that we believe he is the problem overall.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:38 pm to Razorback Reverend
quote:he wasn't. See ny above post. Your numbers are off.
So, Enos was on par with BP in Points Per Game his last stint at Arkansas.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:48 pm to silverstreak
Pretty sure nutt had Arkansas in the top three of ppg his final two seasons.
Let's not pretend scoring the Red zone tds is a new problem that started this season, however.
Let's not pretend scoring the Red zone tds is a new problem that started this season, however.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:52 pm to silverstreak
well damn, I was getting excited. I will look again, thanks
Posted on 10/8/23 at 6:59 pm to Razorback Reverend
it happens. I was thinking, if he'd done that well in 17, Bert would still be hitting up Dickson
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:51 pm to Latarian
quote:
That’s fine if you have a proven successful head coach, not one who’s success depends solely on the coordinators he hires.
I've been saying this. If you're going to be a CEO coach you have to be in a major recruiting hotbed or an elite recruiter.
Arkansas needs an elite offensive mind to run things. We know this based on BP and Gus while they were here. Both were innovative
Posted on 10/8/23 at 7:54 pm to boogiewoogie1978
So who is a current innovative HC or OC that would leave their current position to come here?
If OC how big of a gamble would it be?
Smart was "just a dc", but his experience as a dc at bama reduced the odds. He would not leave bama for Arkansas when it was tried.
If OC how big of a gamble would it be?
Smart was "just a dc", but his experience as a dc at bama reduced the odds. He would not leave bama for Arkansas when it was tried.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:33 pm to Razorback Reverend
quote:
we had a fan base bitch and moan about wishing we had a CEO coach like Saban
Saban is basically the co-DB coach and Co-DC for Alabama and always has been. Not really the definition of a 'CEO' coach.
Posted on 10/8/23 at 8:44 pm to Jack Ruby
He also micromanaged the offense until he had no choice but to let go of the reigns in order to remain competitive on the field.
Latest Arkansas News
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News