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re: Our next coach is coaching right now on ABC.

Posted on 12/2/17 at 4:58 pm to
Posted by troyt37
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 4:58 pm to
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Nah, just wish some of our fans weren't brain dead


Well some of our fans look at example after example of teams winning division, conference, and national championships, and have the crazy idea that Arkansas should emphasize defense too. Brain dead, right?
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 4:59 pm to
No. You're being an a-hole. It seems that's sorta par for the course for you though. You're one of those passive aggressive pricks. That's OK though. It'll be what it'll be.

I mean for fricks sake, I said my first choice candidate is Lane Kiffin.

You guys gent bent out of shape if someone even dares question the group think around here. frickin losers.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:00 pm to
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You gonna call Dabo Sweeney a defense coach? Gus?


No, but Venables is.
Posted by Pigfeet
Ark Mods are Fascists
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:00 pm to
Just going to drop in here to let ya know that we are probably playing second fiddle for Lane.

Just saying.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:01 pm to
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No, but Venables is.
So the one that hasn't won a national title out of the ones listed? Point proven.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:01 pm to
I know. That's why I think we should hire Venables.
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:02 pm to
FL State... or? hmmmm

Ok, next...
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13347 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:03 pm to
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So the one that hasn't won a national title out of the ones listed? Point proven.


Might want to check that. Venables has as many rings as Gus, if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:03 pm to
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Might want to check that. Venables has as many rings as Gus, if I'm not mistaken.
How many was he the head coach for? Or are we going to start looking at special teams coaches at schools that have won nattys just because they were on the staff that won a title? Wanting to give the HC job to a defense-only coach that has zero HC experience makes about as much sense as everything else you've said so far.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 5:06 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:05 pm to
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How many was he the head coach for?


How many was Gus head coach for?
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:08 pm to
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How many was Gus head coach for?
I watched Gus take an Auburn team with a linebacker for a QB to the natty. They lost to one of the better Qb's of this generation. Venables hasn't been a head coach a single day of his life. Of all the uphill battles Arkansas is already fighting to compete in the west you want to take this opportunity to reset the football program by hiring a coach with ZERO head coaching experience. Classic. Venables is a solid 4th-5th option.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 5:09 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:12 pm to
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Wanting to give the HC job to a defense-only coach that has zero HC experience makes about as much sense as everything else you've said so far.


See this is what the folks on your side resort to, hyperbole and bullshite. Have I ever said Norvell, Kiffin, Leach, or Gus are 'offense only' coaches? No. It's just dumb, and shows that you guys are speaking out of emotion rather than logic.
Posted by Drewbie
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:13 pm to
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Have I ever said Norvell, Kiffin, Leach, or Gus are 'offense only' coaches?
Literally has zero to do with anything that was just said. Drink some water. Maybe put on a pot of coffee.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13347 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:18 pm to
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They lost to one of the better Qb's of this generation.


I'll give you 3 guesses on what else they lost to. Aw hell you'll never get it.

They lost to the #3 defense in the nation.
Posted by Drewbie
tFlagship
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:21 pm to
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They lost to the #3 defense in the nation.
They also beat an undefeated Alabama team that was 4th in the nation in points allowed per game. (13.9)


ETA: I hate how you frickers always end up making me defend that sleezeball, but it's still true.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 5:25 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13347 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:30 pm to
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Literally has zero to do with anything that was just said.


Sure it does. If Venables is our coach, they're still going to let us possess the ball. We'll still be allowed to have an OC and several assistant coaches for the offensive side of the ball.

The difference is, we know that Venables is capable if recruiting and putting together a defense that was good enough to help 14 of the last 17 national champions win.

If Kiffin or Norvell become the coach, we can be confident that either of them can recruit and put together an offense that was only able to help 5 of the last 17 national champions win.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13347 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:37 pm to
And a downvote.

Norvell or Kiffin would be fine with the right DC, just as Venables would be fine with the right OC. I just think it's easier to find an OC who brings a top 20 offense, than a DC who brings a top 10 defense. Either way, that's what it's going to take to have any real success.
Posted by Drewbie
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:38 pm to
Yeah hiring fantastic career coordinators as head coaches has NEVER ended terribly before. You really want a brand new head coach to be cutting his teeth in the SEC West we'll have next season?

We're Arkansas. We have money. We have resources. Stop thinking like a Mississippi school. Texas A&M fired their coach and went out and hired Jimbo fricking Fisher. We should be knocking down the doors on the likes of Kiffin, Gundy, Leach, etc. ACTUAL head coaching candidates. Settling for Norvell, Venables, etc. this early on is just taking the easy way out and ridiculously lazy by the committee.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 5:42 pm
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:39 pm to
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Either way, that's what it's going to take to have any real success


Is a NY6 bowl success?
Posted by Pigfeet
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Member since Mar 2010
19783 posts
Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:41 pm to
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