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re: Leach, Kiffin, Pittman... discuss
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:30 am to rockiee
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:30 am to rockiee
completely off topic but im not starting another thread over it.
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:38 am to rockiee
Well...right now all we have are opinions, and those aren't worth much. The results over the next 5 years will be telling. Could go a variety of ways.
I'm hopeful that Arkansas will start a trend away from overblown celebrity coaches. Probably doubtful, but I'm hopeful...especially 'celebrity' coaches like Kiffin who are blatant about breaking any rule they need to. (Talk to Michael Dyer).
We hired a solid football man who is well respected and has landed by far the best overall staff. He's not known as a head coach (yet) but is known as a top recruiter and a coach who gets the most from his players. Why that would change suddenly I don't know.
If the past is a predictor then Kiffin likely makes a lot of noise, wins some games and ends up flaming out and likely taking the program down with him.
Leach likely does what Leach does...fun to watch and listen to and will win a few they shouldn't.
If nothing else...I suspect this helps balance the talent around the SECW, especially at the skill positions. A team that builds big ole mean O and D lines might be able to stand out.
Overall...I do think the hogs hired the highest character coach. That's a good thing. Only the results on the field of play over the next 3-5 years matter.
I'm hopeful that Arkansas will start a trend away from overblown celebrity coaches. Probably doubtful, but I'm hopeful...especially 'celebrity' coaches like Kiffin who are blatant about breaking any rule they need to. (Talk to Michael Dyer).
We hired a solid football man who is well respected and has landed by far the best overall staff. He's not known as a head coach (yet) but is known as a top recruiter and a coach who gets the most from his players. Why that would change suddenly I don't know.
If the past is a predictor then Kiffin likely makes a lot of noise, wins some games and ends up flaming out and likely taking the program down with him.
Leach likely does what Leach does...fun to watch and listen to and will win a few they shouldn't.
If nothing else...I suspect this helps balance the talent around the SECW, especially at the skill positions. A team that builds big ole mean O and D lines might be able to stand out.
Overall...I do think the hogs hired the highest character coach. That's a good thing. Only the results on the field of play over the next 3-5 years matter.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:46 am to beebefootballfan
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Matt Rhule interested in Joe Brady for Carolina Panthers offensive coordinator
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:50 am to Rzrbackguy
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Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:55 am to beebefootballfan
Poach on Matt Rule
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:21 am to redeye
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Well, I'm not sure that Leach or Kiffin will even be in the SEC in 4-5 years. I'm skeptical that either of them will work out, but if they do, then better jobs will come calling. They may come for Pittman, too, but I don't see him leaving.
i don't think leach will leave unless forced out. traditional powerhouses don't seem likely to put up with his... let's call them "eccentricities".
sticking around long term at middling programs seems to be his thing. doesn't seem like it, but he was at WSU for almost as long as he was at TT (10 yrs v 8 yrs)
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:28 am to ArHog
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tbh i wasn't big on leach and i prefer where we ended up, by far, but what he did at WSU was super impressive compared to their history and what he took over:
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[Leach] took the Cougars to a school-record five consecutive bowl games over the past five seasons.
Before Leach's arrival, Wazzu did not appear in a bowl game for eight straight seasons and had won just nine games in four years under previous coach Paul Wulff.
Leach's 43 wins since 2015 marks the most for a Washington State coach during a five-year span. The Cougars have led the FBS in passing offense four times in the past seven seasons.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:41 am to WaveHog
Win or lose vs miss state and love or hate mike leach the man knows offense. He will always score points and always have a good passing game. That was what I liked about him was his stability. I highly doubt miss state wins a national championship with him but they will go to a bowl game Almost every year and maybe pull a few upsets along the way that they shouldn’t. Now he’s known to lose a head scratcher now and again but he will put any program he’s at back to above mediocre and can stabilize a program (at least while he’s there). That is why I was high on him to begin with not because I thought we’d be hanging banners but because we’ve just went through the worst stretch of football in Razorback history and I felt like we should’ve went with a known proven commodity. Leach is a safe hire. That’s what I felt like we needed but we took another home run swing hoping to find the next coach O after finding the next dabo crashed and burn magnificently. So far things seem to be better this go around although they couldn’t be much worse and we still have to see results on the field. But if anyone thinks mike leach is gonna completely crash and burn they are being delusional. He’s won everywhere he’s been from d3 and up I doubt after 35 years that changes at moo state
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:55 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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. I highly doubt miss state wins a national championship with him
Don't go too much on a limb with that one
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:02 pm to Latarian
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Just bookmark shite for now.
I haven’t seen tRant like this in a long time. Some of y’all obviously trolled some Ole Miss, Mizzou, LSU fans too hard. Ole Miss fans especially. Here’s to Sam getting shite going and hopefully an Ole Miss/Mizzou win for all these bookmarks to cash in and making tRant great again.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/10/20 at 2:11 pm to Columbia
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Some of y’all obviously trolled some Ole Miss, Mizzou, LSU fans too hard. Ole Miss fans especially.
That one Ole Miss fan admitted that was it. He totally accepted that he was still mad over the Kiffin stuff over a month ago.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:07 pm to Columbia
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I haven’t seen tRant like this in a long time. Some of y’all obviously trolled some Ole Miss, Mizzou, LSU fans too hard.
we still have work to do...
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:11 pm to rockiee
Well the guy is a really good coach. I’d be hesitant to say he can’t achieve anything else. Probably not an sec championship either but it could easily happen if he gets the right qb in his system and at state he will have more eyes on his offense than ever before. With being in the sec and no longer playing after half the country goes to sleep some people who have heard the name but have never really seen a lot of his offense are gonna be pretty impressed I think and that includes recruits. Make no mistake this is not a bad hire in anyway especially with the shite show state appeared to be in by firing Motörhead so late in the season and after only 2 seasons. They probably ended up better than if they’d got the guy from Louisiana. I hope this puts to bed the silly notion that firing a coach too soon will scare them away. Coaches are competitive people and most have confidence that they are good enough to succeed where others have failed. And if they don’t believe that do you really want a guy like that coaching your team anyway?
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 1/10/20 at 3:56 pm to Razorback Reverend
Leach is an excellent hire for Mississippi State. Between Kiffin and Leach, I like Leach. It's not even close. I don't think Kiffin will be at Ole Miss more than 4 years at the max. But I do believe Leach will more than likely be at MSU much longer. I have little to no doubt that he will be successful. I knew he was wanting to coach in the SEC, so I'm not at all surprised that he got hired. But I had hoped that it would not be in our division. I have no doubt that he will have them competing at a much higher level and it probably won't take him more than a year to make it happen.
And I also believe Pittman was a very good hire considering the staff he has hired. I'm really pulling for him and I'm glad we have him.
And I also believe Pittman was a very good hire considering the staff he has hired. I'm really pulling for him and I'm glad we have him.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:19 pm to Porky
I believe it all depends on staffing and recruiting.
So, leach doesn't need too many great running backs with his offense, nor tight ends. And his personality is such an oddity that recruiting will not be great at all.
Kiffin will recruit better than leach overall, and runs a scheme that will use the running game more right?
What is left in assistant coaches, etc other than what Leach had at Wazzou?
So, leach doesn't need too many great running backs with his offense, nor tight ends. And his personality is such an oddity that recruiting will not be great at all.
Kiffin will recruit better than leach overall, and runs a scheme that will use the running game more right?
What is left in assistant coaches, etc other than what Leach had at Wazzou?
Posted on 1/10/20 at 4:48 pm to Razorback Reverend
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I believe it all depends on staffing and recruiting.
So, leach doesn't need too many great running backs with his offense, nor tight ends. And his personality is such an oddity that recruiting will not be great at all.
Kiffin will recruit better than leach overall, and runs a scheme that will use the running game more right?
What is left in assistant coaches, etc other than what Leach had at Wazzou?
I am not going to debate to what extent either will be successful because people (including myself) are going to believe whatever they believe. I understand and respect that there are many people who disagree with my opinion regarding Leach and Kiffin. But I don't really care to try and convince them to believe anything otherwise. Because nobody knows for certain what will happen.
I am very happy with the coach we have. And only time will tell.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 1/10/20 at 5:35 pm to Porky
cool, so no opinion to share on a message board...
Uhhhh????
Thanks for the input I guess.
to others, I believe we have a better staff than Mizzou, Ole Miss, and we have to wait on Miss State. Without a D (which is the usual Leach mantra) he will not be ultimately successful in my book
Uhhhh????
Thanks for the input I guess.
to others, I believe we have a better staff than Mizzou, Ole Miss, and we have to wait on Miss State. Without a D (which is the usual Leach mantra) he will not be ultimately successful in my book
Posted on 1/10/20 at 6:11 pm to HogX
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Leach, Kiffin, Pittman... discuss
I don't disagree with you on Leach, I'm just pointing out that saying you have to play defense to beat Bama is not exactly accurate.
Over the last several years, Ole Miss did it with offense. Clemson did it with offense. Texas A&M did it with offense. LSU did it with offense. Etc. If fact, without looking, I'd imagine Bama scored 30+ points in more of their losses over the last 5 or 6 years than they were held under 30 points in them.
None of these teams lined up 5 wide and passed the ball every down either.
All of them share in common a QB that was able to hurt Bama with their legs as well as their arms while having an effective traditional running game with RB.
Back when Saban played TOP and ran a traditional offense the stat was 100 yards rushing needed to beat Bama meaning you could control the TOP and ball making up long drives one their defense. When the offense changed for Saban so has the narrative of what it takes, mainly the ability to keep Saban off guard defensively and in situations where it is 11 on 11 not 10 on 11 or 9 on 11 as will be the case for Leach with no threat of a running game.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 7:46 pm to DaleDenton
I think leach will have some struggles in this league because they plan man to man here. Where as the pac 12 play zone. Man to man is how you beat the air raid.
Now he will move the ball, but no one should be suprised when he gets whipped 13-34 by the big boys.
Remember when Bobby's offense would get murdered by physical DBs? It will be like that here for leach on occasion.
Now he will move the ball, but no one should be suprised when he gets whipped 13-34 by the big boys.
Remember when Bobby's offense would get murdered by physical DBs? It will be like that here for leach on occasion.
Posted on 1/10/20 at 8:01 pm to Porky
Rev, I didn't mean for my post to come across the wrong way. I'll clarify my reasoning on Leach and Kiffin.
I also believe that it depends on staffing and recruiting.
But I think Leach will recruit a lot better than many of us expect and I don't think his personality is a negative factor. Not at all. Plus, he is in a lot better situation for recruiting than he was at WSU.
Who will whoop? I give Leach the edge over Kiffin simply because I think he will be the better coach (on most Saturdays), though I do think it may take him a year at least to find the right QB for his system. But he is very innovative.
Regarding assistants, Leach has very good connections within the coaching profession but it's probably going to be harder to get the best staff he can put together at this point but a lot can change in a year or two. It will be interesting to see who he will retain from WSU and MSU.
I do believe Pittman will have the best overall staff of all three.
I also believe that it depends on staffing and recruiting.
But I think Leach will recruit a lot better than many of us expect and I don't think his personality is a negative factor. Not at all. Plus, he is in a lot better situation for recruiting than he was at WSU.
Who will whoop? I give Leach the edge over Kiffin simply because I think he will be the better coach (on most Saturdays
), though I do think it may take him a year at least to find the right QB for his system. But he is very innovative. Regarding assistants, Leach has very good connections within the coaching profession but it's probably going to be harder to get the best staff he can put together at this point but a lot can change in a year or two. It will be interesting to see who he will retain from WSU and MSU.
I do believe Pittman will have the best overall staff of all three.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 8:21 pm
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