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re: Is it time to quit drinking the Kool-Aid?
Posted on 9/10/23 at 8:33 pm to dchog
Posted on 9/10/23 at 8:33 pm to dchog
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It depends on your expectations.
A good year for Arkansas is 8-4/9-3.
I think the frustration is that people have accepted these expectations. With NIL and free agency any program has the possibility of being legit on a national stage. All you need is a Prime Time "type" of coach. Deep down most of you know we don't.
There just isn't the dedication to win big here by the powers that be.
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Posted on 9/10/23 at 9:06 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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There just isn't the dedication to win big here by the powers that be.
Who wanted this job after chad got through trashing it? I guess you wanted drink?
Sam was the one who wanted to take the challenge and has pulled us out of the gutter.
We had Holtz who won a natty elsewhere, and ford who won a natty elsewhere and Petrino who shite his pants.
No one was begging to come here and we’re lucky to get Sam who’s building a strong foundation for our program.
It is what it is and we’re moving forward.
Posted on 9/10/23 at 9:59 pm to boogiewoogie1978
The fans expectations don't always align with important individuals that have money and power at a program.
The Gumps are extremely crazy with very high expectations. They put much pressure on the Bama program to win at all costs.
That is what the powers at Bama did even going back to the days before the bear.
When you win all the time like they do, they won't settle with 8-4 as ever being acceptable. That would be enough to fire the coach because Bama has been spoiled by both Bryant and Saban.
They have a winning culture even though the winning has caused them to be very arrogant and rude.
But that same winning culture can produce them some duds like Mike Shula because Bama fans aren't patient with any coach.
Win now or you will be fired soon.
I don't know what the expectations that folks have at Arkansas. They never specified anything other than saying competing at a high level after a coach is fired.
We all know that is false and Arkansas doesn't really know and don't have any goals.
But we do know it isn't the level of an Alabama because Arkansas has never won on that level in the past.
So it should be understandable that expectations are lower as Arkansas has embraced those low expectations.
Acceptance by telling themselves that Arkansas is limited and can't improve much which isn't true.
That type of defeatist attitude keeps you at the bottom.
No matter what the fans say in real life or on a message board, they are completely powerless if the powers to be don't care enough to change the culture.
Both parties have to see eye to eye but they don't.
Arkansas should be more concerned by asking themselves did we give it our all?
The answer to that question is no.
The Gumps are extremely crazy with very high expectations. They put much pressure on the Bama program to win at all costs.
That is what the powers at Bama did even going back to the days before the bear.
When you win all the time like they do, they won't settle with 8-4 as ever being acceptable. That would be enough to fire the coach because Bama has been spoiled by both Bryant and Saban.
They have a winning culture even though the winning has caused them to be very arrogant and rude.
But that same winning culture can produce them some duds like Mike Shula because Bama fans aren't patient with any coach.
Win now or you will be fired soon.
I don't know what the expectations that folks have at Arkansas. They never specified anything other than saying competing at a high level after a coach is fired.
We all know that is false and Arkansas doesn't really know and don't have any goals.
But we do know it isn't the level of an Alabama because Arkansas has never won on that level in the past.
So it should be understandable that expectations are lower as Arkansas has embraced those low expectations.
Acceptance by telling themselves that Arkansas is limited and can't improve much which isn't true.
That type of defeatist attitude keeps you at the bottom.
No matter what the fans say in real life or on a message board, they are completely powerless if the powers to be don't care enough to change the culture.
Both parties have to see eye to eye but they don't.
Arkansas should be more concerned by asking themselves did we give it our all?
The answer to that question is no.
Posted on 9/10/23 at 10:07 pm to STLhog
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with triple E Tits
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eatin’ sausage
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gives a legit F
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with Tits McGhee.
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shoot the shite
Posted on 9/11/23 at 9:16 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:Said this last year: I'm getting Houston Nutt era vibes.
But when our GOOD years are 7-5, now we have issues. And that means something needs to change
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:20 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Said this last year: I'm getting Houston Nutt era vibes.
Awww geeze, How? Because he was a bit defensive with a douche comment by Biddy?
I had no problem with the 1st question but comparing what others are doing in such a arrogant fashion, notta.
Pittman took the blame, didn't throw players under the bus, isn't a narcissist, and shows humility most of the time. How in the name of beelzebub is he like Nutt?
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:27 pm to Razorback Reverend
A certain portion of our fan base are miserable fricks. I hope you motherfrickers hate everything about our program for the rest of your life and die disappointed, you deserve it
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:40 pm to FleaMarketBill
2-0. Outscored opponents 84-19 while deliberately running plays we suck at executing. Still an entire tuneup week left before conference play.
You'd never know it with our fanbase. It's legitimately painful to read.
You'd never know it with our fanbase. It's legitimately painful to read.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:44 pm to FleaMarketBill
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A certain portion of our fan base are miserable fricks. I hope you motherfrickers hate everything about our program for the rest of your life and die disappointed, you deserve it
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:48 pm to Drewbie
I mean, WTH! I am having a hard time with our fans who can't appreciate the depth of hell that we have been delivered from thus far.
Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge (ME!, LOL) knew what Pittman was doing during the game, he as much acknowledged it prior to the game even. It was a practice...
Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge (ME!, LOL) knew what Pittman was doing during the game, he as much acknowledged it prior to the game even. It was a practice...
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:51 pm to Drewbie
I don't think next game will be a tune up.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 1:53 pm to Mason Dixon Swine
quote:I take it you haven't seen much of BYU this year. They're even worse than they were last year so far.
I don't think next game will be a tune up.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 9/11/23 at 2:06 pm to Drewbie
I think the night game will help get the team fired up. The players have looked bored and listless the past two weeks. No fire.
Coaches haven’t helped by making bonehead decisions but we do have a whole new staff.
We’ll probably beat BYU and then go 0-4 but I expected that before the season started. Back half of the schedule is when we should string together some wins.
Coaches haven’t helped by making bonehead decisions but we do have a whole new staff.
We’ll probably beat BYU and then go 0-4 but I expected that before the season started. Back half of the schedule is when we should string together some wins.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 2:14 pm to Stonehog
Yeah this week will be the first game with some juice. I also think we're just gonna torch them through the air again. That defense didn't get any faster.
I'd like to take at least one on that road trip. Ole Miss if I had to guess although A&M could be an option depending on how they handle that early setback internally. 0-4 I'd struggle with not being disappointed. I think we're good enough to win at least one.
To be completely candid, I'll admit I have reservations about Pittman I didn't have before. Him saying the team isn't physical in the presser didn't sit well with me. I just don't think it's a good sign when a coach is struggling to imprint his identity onto the team, and the fact that the OL is the main weakness in year 4 is not a scenario I thought we'd be looking at. At this point I'm just trusting his track record to find a solution.
I'd like to take at least one on that road trip. Ole Miss if I had to guess although A&M could be an option depending on how they handle that early setback internally. 0-4 I'd struggle with not being disappointed. I think we're good enough to win at least one.
To be completely candid, I'll admit I have reservations about Pittman I didn't have before. Him saying the team isn't physical in the presser didn't sit well with me. I just don't think it's a good sign when a coach is struggling to imprint his identity onto the team, and the fact that the OL is the main weakness in year 4 is not a scenario I thought we'd be looking at. At this point I'm just trusting his track record to find a solution.
This post was edited on 9/11/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 9/11/23 at 2:37 pm to Drewbie
We needed a program stabilizer. Pittman will serve as that. I'd like to believe we could find another lightning in a bottle again, like we did with Petrino, but who knows.
I do know that being feared (as we were under Petrino) had my johnson rod sticking out like a sailboat mast. I sure wished we were feared for about a ten year stretch or so.
I was extremely encouraged with Pittman for the first two years, but it's as if he relaxed and became less hungry after the contract renegotiation.
I do know that being feared (as we were under Petrino) had my johnson rod sticking out like a sailboat mast. I sure wished we were feared for about a ten year stretch or so.
I was extremely encouraged with Pittman for the first two years, but it's as if he relaxed and became less hungry after the contract renegotiation.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 2:45 pm to Arkapigdiesel
Year 2 got us looking at the top shelf again, for better or worse. I don't think those expectations are too lofty for Sam. I still think he's a good coach. We were 9 points off of another year 2 last year to be completely fair. Obviously some (if not all) of those close losses were self-inflicted, but it's worth noting that even with how cynical we've all become that we're not a million miles off the mark right now.
I think the sensible conclusion at this point in his career is that he's done well enough to let him cook with a healthy amount of respectful skepticism. If we start to lose our luster in the transfer portal or attitudes on the field start getting sour then we'll have some real issues.
I think the sensible conclusion at this point in his career is that he's done well enough to let him cook with a healthy amount of respectful skepticism. If we start to lose our luster in the transfer portal or attitudes on the field start getting sour then we'll have some real issues.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 3:00 pm to Drewbie
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I just don't think it's a good sign when a coach is struggling to imprint his identity onto the team, and the fact that the OL is the main weakness in year 4 is not a scenario I thought we'd be looking at.
this is the biggest shocker to me. I mean, we have found some great RB's, WR's, Defensive Players, TE's... but the Oline sucks in recruiting. What gives? If it is Kennedy, send him packing period!
Posted on 9/11/23 at 3:34 pm to Mason Dixon Swine
Arkansas is an eight point favorite.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 3:37 pm to Razorback Reverend
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Awww geeze, How?
I'm referring to mediocre seasons plus a sizeable contingent of the fanbase liking him because 'he's one of us'.
I don't give a hoot about Trey Biddy or any media BS.
Posted on 9/11/23 at 3:41 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
We objectively overachieved year 1 and 2. The only season you can even start to say was mediocre was last year and that was while being one of the most injured teams in the conference.
Some of y'all are nuts.
Some of y'all are nuts.
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