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re: If KJ is as bad as some say why hasn't he been benched?
Posted on 10/9/23 at 9:57 am to beebefootballfan
Posted on 10/9/23 at 9:57 am to beebefootballfan
We are playing young at some OL spots. Kutas, Chamblee, Manuel should all be better next year
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Posted on 10/9/23 at 3:14 pm to Drewbie
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I think you're being intentionally obtuse if you can't admit that the player with the most monetary investment wrapped up in his image and likeness would inherently have a longer leash than anyone else.
You mean like for Arch Manning who isn't even playing?
Posted on 10/9/23 at 3:30 pm to WonderWartHawg
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We are playing young at some OL spots. Kutas, Chamblee, Manuel should all be better next y
These are second and third year guys. That's absolutely standard.
Posted on 10/9/23 at 4:29 pm to boogiewoogie1978
quote:Did you forget they have a #1 overall recruit starting above him or something? You think he's not making anything?
You mean like for Arch Manning who isn't even playing?
Not to mention Texas is literally one of those schools that just had an issue like that with having boosters pressure to start Hudson Card over Casey Thompson even though Casey was clearly better.
Like I said, intentionally obtuse.
This post was edited on 10/9/23 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 10/9/23 at 5:38 pm to Poker_hog
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These are second and third year guys. That's absolutely standard.
First year to really be in the fire. In a perfect scenario, they wouldn't have even sniffed the field until next year and even then playing mostly behind 5th year seniors.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 10:43 am to Drewbie
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Did you forget they have a #1 overall recruit starting above him or something? You think he's not making anything?
It doesn't matter. Your argument is that it's all about financial investment and not performance. Thanks for proving my point.
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Not to mention Texas is literally one of those schools that just had an issue like that with having boosters pressure to start Hudson Card over Casey Thompson even though Casey was clearly better.
I could see that if it happened during a successful season but he was named the starter before the season started. A highly touted freshman is almost always going to start over a guy who hasn't done anything for you the previous couple of years. I thought you knew that.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 11:17 am to WonderWartHawg
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First year to really be in the fire. In a perfect scenario, they wouldn't have even sniffed the field until next year and even then playing mostly behind 5th year seniors.
Idk what version of college football you're watching but this ain't the typical case as much anymore. Most good linemen contribute in year 2 and are starting by year 3 not sitting behind 5th year seniors....
Posted on 10/10/23 at 12:11 pm to boogiewoogie1978
quote:How is that proving your point? Ewers was making upwards of 2 million in NIL deals before he played a down in college. They literally gave the dude an Aston Martin. Your rebuttals don't even make sense anymore.
It doesn't matter. Your argument is that it's all about financial investment and not performance. Thanks for proving my point.
And no, my argument isn't "financial investment is the only thing that matters". It's "financial investment heavily influences the amount of leeway and number of chances a player receives", but I've already explained that so we're back to the intentionally obtuse portion of the show.
This post was edited on 10/10/23 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 10/10/23 at 1:57 pm to Drewbie
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I think you're being intentionally obtuse if you can't admit that the player with the most monetary investment wrapped up in his image and likeness would inherently have a longer leash than anyone else.
Absoluty not because this is now semipro. Just like the NFL it doesn't matter how much money you make. It's all about performance and winning.
Just like when Saban benched Milroe. The top programs and best coaches are going to play players based on performance.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 2:27 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Dude, you are being obtuse. I have read these over and over and you still are not stepping out of your shell of belief and considering a few things.
1. A multimillionaire is not going to give major money to a player/university to acquire said player... and be ok with them sitting.
2. Fan expectations are always that the backup qback is better... But the money folks will absolutely quit giving if their ROI is not seen, or at least shown. Ewers being the proof of the above, while Manning sat for this one reason only. Both were paid.
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4. You have been a hog fan long enought to know that we have PTB that dictate much of what happens withing our program at the UofA. Some things have changed, not that.. not much.
1. A multimillionaire is not going to give major money to a player/university to acquire said player... and be ok with them sitting.
2. Fan expectations are always that the backup qback is better... But the money folks will absolutely quit giving if their ROI is not seen, or at least shown. Ewers being the proof of the above, while Manning sat for this one reason only. Both were paid.
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quote:uhhh, say this again and see if it sounds correct still. This isn't the NFL and using a salary cap provided by the NFL business model itself. This is a "salary" to an extent, but provide by folks/businesses/coorperations expecting something in return. I will not, am not, giving $$$$ for a kid to sit on the bench and nobody see my ad with them in it man. C'mon.
Just like the NFL it doesn't matter how much money you make. It's all about performance and winning.
4. You have been a hog fan long enought to know that we have PTB that dictate much of what happens withing our program at the UofA. Some things have changed, not that.. not much.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 3:11 pm to Razorback Reverend
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A multimillionaire is not going to give major money to a player/university to acquire said player... and be ok with them sitting.
They would be if we were winning. See the Arch Manning example. Arch is making more but it doesn't matter because they are winning. Now you could argue we don't have a winning culture here and its about egos but that's not the argument that was being made.
The argument was that KJ sucks. Even though statically he's the best QB we've ever had who's been to multiple bowls and won them.
The point was trying to be made that he makes too much money to bench even though he's been very successful here though a complete team rebuild. He was in the discussion as being possibly the best QB in the conference at the beginning of the year. But now all of a sudden he sucks?
Also Sam is going to keep playing him even when his seat is on fire because "he makes too much" and gets a longer leash? Not that he's been very successful here and we aren't going to get away from our best player?
Deep down Sam probably knows KJ doesn't fit that system but he can't admit that because that would put the blame on him and his poor decision which started this whole conversation.
Posted on 10/10/23 at 3:14 pm to boogiewoogie1978
that is some award winning mental gymnastics...
Posted on 10/10/23 at 4:26 pm to Razorback Reverend
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that is some award winning mental gymnastics
If that's what you call facts then yeah
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