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re: How do you guys feel about all the hype around kj this season?

Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:32 pm to
Posted by Razorback Reverend
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:32 pm to
I think you are missing the point. Schemes will change, as will the better use of our running game with our RB's. KJ will be better protected and his passing mechanics will improve quite a bit imho.

We shall see however...
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:05 pm to
On the other hand KJ will have to read a defense presnap and post snap.

The bryles system doesn't teach this or put emphasis on this. Outside of athleticism in RG3 they have all washed out and failed int he nfl because of this.

I think it was the QB post RG3 who had nfl teams alarmed in the interviews as he couldn't identify basic defensive schemes and coverages.
Posted by razorbackfan4life
Northwest Arkansas
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:02 pm to
I think Enos will put KJ in a great position to succeed.

If Enos can get everyone on that side of the ball to execute, KJ's work will be easy.
Posted by dammitbert
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:17 pm to
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On the other hand KJ will have to read a defense presnap and post snap.


Makes me shudder thinking about last year... As good of an athlete as KJ is, he looks like Ray Charles out there at times, tucking and running with wide open receivers.

You say Briles doesn't emphasize reading defenses... How someone coaches offense in D1 college football and doesn't emphasize reading defenses is beyond me, but at the end of the day I think Enos is the better QB coach out of the two, and it's not close.

Very optimistic about the Enos offense. Just hope our line holds up and that the defense steps up to "ok" instead of "complete dogshit" .
Posted by DaleDenton
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:41 pm to
Basically the field is split into quadrants, the play is called to pass to a quadrant. There is at most two receivers in the quadrant during the play.

ESPN has a video breaking it down by an NFL guy who was tearing down the Baylor QBs being system QBs like Leach and the Hawaii QBs back in the day. I don't care enough to look for the vid, but the passing offense is predetermined presnap, they are open or you tuck and run.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:23 pm to
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I think you are missing the point. Schemes will change, as will the better use of our running game with our RB's
we’ve had one of the top rushing attacks the last 2 years. I think enos will do a fine job I just don’t understand why we have to act like our offense was runny dog poo the last few years just because briles left. And this isn’t a uniquely Arkansas problem every fan base does it. When a coach leaves he was terrible, when he gets hired he’s awesome. I just wish more people could be objective I guess
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 10:31 pm to
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Basically the field is split into quadrants, the play is called to pass to a quadrant. There is at most two receivers in the quadrant during the play. ESPN has a video breaking it down by an NFL guy who was tearing down the Baylor QBs being system QBs like Leach and the Hawaii QBs back in the day. I don't care enough to look for the vid, but the passing offense is predetermined presnap, they are open or you tuck and run.
this is all true but briles system isn’t the same as leach. Not every air raid breaks it down into quadrants and has a pre determined route combo to throw, although art briles and malzhan both did that. Leach would still require his qbs to go through progressions as does Dana holgerson and mike gundy, as well as kingsbury. Let’s not forget Patrick mahomes came from the air raid system under kingsbury in college, so I wouldn’t say briles qbs are system qbs “just like leach.”
This post was edited on 7/13/23 at 6:41 am
Posted by Razorback Reverend
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 12:08 am to
Dude, I was a Briles fan and wanted to keep him here. Lobbied hard for him to stay. There was only 1 past OC I would have traded for and that happened to be Dan Enos. I was thrilled Sam got on Enos so quickly.

But, Briles was good and... Stubborn. Or Sam will still wind up being mediocre in the end because it was his fault. Some of the EZ plays were ridiculous. I never hated Briles and came to his defense several times. Still like him. BUt again, I do believe Enos is a better Qback coach and will scheme better with time and talent. We shall see
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/13/23 at 6:40 am to
I know, I wasn’t necessarily directing everything in my comment to you, just talking about people in general. I’m in the same boat you are, I liked briles but I think enos will do a fine job as well.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 8:27 am to
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I think enos will do a fine job I just don’t understand why we have to act like our offense was runny dog poo the last few years just because briles left.



I was saying our offense was bad while Briles was here. And it was. There were several reasons for that, and not all of them were Briles fault, but we were excruciatingly predictable. The result being we could not run the ball when we had to, and we could not throw when we had to.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 9:01 am to
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I was saying our offense was bad while Briles was here.
this is statistically false.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14671 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:37 am to
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this is statistically false.


There's lies, damn lies, and then there's statistics. There's no need to beat this dead horse. 4 of our 6 losses last year can plausibly be laid at the feet of our offense. It doesn't matter if they had eleventy billion yards, or even how many touchdowns they scored.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 12:45 pm to
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doesn't matter if they had eleventy billion yards,
I can kinda see this
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even how many touchdowns they scored.
this is the dumbest shite I’ve seen on this site in a long time how is scoring points not a sign of a good offense? And I would say injuries could be a bigger reason we lost games instead of the offense. And the offense won us more games than the defense did last year. In fact it saved our arse against a couple of teams. Which 4 games though would you lay directly at the feet of the offense? Liberty when our qb was hurt? Or lsu Or Mississippi state when our qb didn’t play? I mean if you want to blame briles and Pittman for mot having a serviceable backup I can get behind that but it’s hard to blame the offense for games where our starting quarterback didn’t play and thereby hamstringing our entire offense.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14671 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 1:23 pm to
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this is the dumbest shite I’ve seen on this site in a long time how is scoring points not a sign of a good offense?


Right back at you. Because it matters who you scored them against and when, or are you football illiterate?

Defense gave up 16 or 17 vs aTm, and our offense couldn’t win it.

Defense gave up 21 to Liberty, and our offense couldn’t win it.

Defense gave up 13 to LSU, and our offense couldn’t win it.

Defense gave up 29 to Missouri, and our offense couldn’t win it.

Just for the record:

aTm: 5-7 last year

Liberty: 8-5 last year, playing cupcakes

LSU: 9-4 last year, best game of the year for our defense.

Missouri: 6-7 last year

ETA: If you actually believe what you said about injuries, you would never put last year at the feet of the defense. Defense was truly decimated last year.
This post was edited on 7/14/23 at 1:30 pm
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 2:40 pm to
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ETA: If you actually believe what you said about injuries, you would never put last year at the feet of the defense. Defense was truly decimated last year.
injuries affected both sides of the ball. The difference is the offense was still okay, the defense was ranked close to dead last nationally in many categories. Btw giving up 29 to Missouri is on the defense. If you give up more than 28 points in a football game, your defense did not do their job regardless of whether you win or lose. I normally set the threshold for good/bad at 21. If you score less than 21 points your offense had a bad day. If your defense gives up more than 21 they had a bad day but with modern football you might can seat it at 28. Regardless, giving up 29 to Missouri is a bad job by our defense
Posted by PineyWoodsHog
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Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 7/14/23 at 4:04 pm to
One thing that can't be denied, them Allen boys were tough as nails.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14671 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 3:26 pm to
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injuries affected both sides of the ball. The difference is the offense was still okay, the defense was ranked close to dead last nationally in many categories.


Offense lost 1 guy, defense lose damn near the entire secondary. The ones that weren't hurt played out of position most of the time. Liberty beat us with their third string QB.

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Btw giving up 29 to Missouri is on the defense. If you give up more than 28 points in a football game, your defense did not do their job regardless of whether you win or lose.


I can agree with that, but we're talking about a 6-7 Missouri here. They gave up 66 to Tennessee, 40 to Kansas State, 27 to Wake (and Arkansas), 26 to Georgia, 24 to Louisiana Tech and Florida, 21 to Kentucky.

Our high powered offense counted for 4 punts, an interception, and a fumble in that game. That accounts for 6 out of (basically) 11 possessions in the game. Good offenses don't shite the bed half of the time.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
18165 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 6:28 am to
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Liberty beat us with their third string QB.
again, showing how bad we were in the secondary
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They gave up 66 to Tennessee, 40 to Kansas State, 27 to Wake (and Arkansas), 26 to Georgia, 24 to Louisiana Tech and Florida, 21 to Kentucky.
so they had 2 games where they gave up a shitload of points, and the rest was about what we scored, even Georgia only scored 26. I never said we had the best offense in the country, but the offense wasn’t the biggest issue last year. It was the defense even though both had injury issues
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14671 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 11:02 am to
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again, showing how bad we were in the secondary


We are still flogging that dead horse, but our defense gave up 21 to Liberty, and our non-dogshit offense was unable to overcome it.

What’s telling is that you are unwilling to concede that our offense was arse, even when the defense did a good job. I’ll take Missouri for the defense, you take aTm, Liberty, and LSU for the offense. That puts us at 10-3 if the offense was decent.
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15401 posts
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:45 pm to
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