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Faith in leadership going forward?
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:26 am
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:26 am
... and I’m not referring to a coach or an AD.
Based on the last 8 years, what is your confidence level in regards to Arkansas leadership?
Anyone who did casual research into UW at the time could see Bert had no fricking influence on their success during his tenure... and Morris was hired with no record of building anything beyond a HS program.
Do you feel the corner has been turned? Plenty of ‘names’ to be had if the commitment is there.
Or will we continue on cementing our status as an absolute irrelevant in our conference... kids who would be recruits already see us in this fashion.
Based on the last 8 years, what is your confidence level in regards to Arkansas leadership?
Anyone who did casual research into UW at the time could see Bert had no fricking influence on their success during his tenure... and Morris was hired with no record of building anything beyond a HS program.
Do you feel the corner has been turned? Plenty of ‘names’ to be had if the commitment is there.
Or will we continue on cementing our status as an absolute irrelevant in our conference... kids who would be recruits already see us in this fashion.
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Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:29 am to Beached Tusky
Zero faith. BOT are still a bunch of dumbasses.
Also, we may win 1 game next year regardless of who is coach. We've only fixed 50% of the problem. Dozens of our players are still absolutely not sec caliber
Give me our correct road jerseys and kill off LR games and I'll be happy through the 1-11 campaign
Also, we may win 1 game next year regardless of who is coach. We've only fixed 50% of the problem. Dozens of our players are still absolutely not sec caliber
Give me our correct road jerseys and kill off LR games and I'll be happy through the 1-11 campaign
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:30 am to Beached Tusky
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... and I’m not referring to a coach or an AD.
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Based on the last 8 years, what is your confidence level in regards to Arkansas leadership?
Anyone who did casual research into UW at the time could see Bert had no fricking influence on their success during his tenure
So you are being critical of the Bert hire but not talking about Long?
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and Morris was hired with no record of building anything beyond a HS program.
Well there is a difference when you have no AD during a coaching search.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:32 am to Beached Tusky
I don't think it's all that relevant because I don't think the people making the decisions for this hire will be the same ones that hired Chad. I expect this to be a mostly HY hire while he was barely involved with Chad. From what I understand, HY is a basketball guy so seeing the value in a coach like Muss makes sense. If he has that same eye for football coaches, I might be more inclined to believe in this hire.
But he had the stones to fire Chad midseason and his words to Muss after win #1 were, "This better be the first of many.". I like the cut of his jib so far. Seems like he doesn't play any bullshite which leads me to believe he'll hire a coach of similar beliefs.
But he had the stones to fire Chad midseason and his words to Muss after win #1 were, "This better be the first of many.". I like the cut of his jib so far. Seems like he doesn't play any bullshite which leads me to believe he'll hire a coach of similar beliefs.
This post was edited on 11/10/19 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:49 am to rockiee
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So you are being critical of the Bert hire but not talking about Long?
Long was one of the worst things to happen to Arkansas athletics... ever. Absolutely.
I mention Bert and Chad only since they're the recent points of data in our new coaching search.
But again - who thought Long was a good idea?
This is the root of the problem... when the camera cuts to Jerry in his box cheering on his grandson who has absolutely NO BUSINESS being an SEC quarterback, and he's laughing despite the team being absolutely destroyed on and off the field... you get a sense of what we're truly up against.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:54 am to Beached Tusky
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But again - who thought Long was a good idea?
Well, I guess what you should be asking is can we trust Hunter.
I think he did a great job in the basketball search so I have faith in him as of right now. That could all change if this search goes bad.
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This is the root of the problem... when the camera cuts to Jerry in his box cheering on his grandson who has absolutely NO BUSINESS being an SEC quarterback, and he's laughing despite the team being absolutely destroyed on and off the field... you get a sense of what we're truly up against.
While it is certainly noteworthy, I think this gets a little overblown at times. There were some that thought we were not going to be able to fire Chad because Jerry wouldn't let us. Some people just are in ultra negative mode about everything, which is understandable to a certain extent but I think some have gone overboard.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:57 am to rockiee
HY will get autonomy on this hire, just like he did on Musselman.
If he screws it up though, he gone. I trust the BoT will largely stay out of the way on this one.
If he screws it up though, he gone. I trust the BoT will largely stay out of the way on this one.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 11:59 am to Beached Tusky
You all forget, it was White who hired Long. "I" White publicly stated many times he wanted to "de-emphasize athletics". So he hired Long who was the same type as he was.
Broyles was trying to persevere while athletics were under attack by White. As a result he let Nutt stay too long. It would have given White leverage. Of course White did finally win, but then Nutt pulled his Ole Miss thing, and that got White's arse canned by Frank's friends. But we were still stuck with Long who is all about Jeff Long. Hence we are where we are today.
Broyles was trying to persevere while athletics were under attack by White. As a result he let Nutt stay too long. It would have given White leverage. Of course White did finally win, but then Nutt pulled his Ole Miss thing, and that got White's arse canned by Frank's friends. But we were still stuck with Long who is all about Jeff Long. Hence we are where we are today.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 12:00 pm to rockiee
I think it's more along the lines of 'Can we trust Hunter has been empowered to do what we think his position dictates he should be doing'.
Money always buys influence, but in our experience the money has not often been a positive influence.
Money always buys influence, but in our experience the money has not often been a positive influence.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 12:02 pm to Beached Tusky
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I think it's more along the lines of 'Can we trust Hunter has been empowered to do what we think his position dictates he should be doing'.
Someone else brought this up as well but do you not think he had control over the basketball hire? I understand that football is another level but Hunter is going to have most of the say on this. Once again, the last coaching search was way different because there really wasn't an AD so obviously boosters are going to have a bigger impact than normal.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 12:03 pm to BadPiggy
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You all forget, it was White who hired Long. "I" White publicly stated many times he wanted to "de-emphasize athletics". So he hired Long who was the same type as he was.
Broyles was trying to persevere while athletics were under attack by White. As a result he let Nutt stay too long. It would have given White leverage. Of course White did finally win, but then Nutt pulled his Ole Miss thing, and that got White's arse canned by Frank's friends. But we were still stuck with Long who is all about Jeff Long. Hence we are where we are today.
On the contrary I haven't forgotten this at all.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 12:20 pm to Beached Tusky
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Faith in leadership going forward?
... and I’m not referring to a coach or an AD.
I don't.
I've said this ad nauseum and I'll say it again, but the main thing holding our football program back is that our big money donors and GOBN don't know jack shite about modern college football and care far more about access and power than winning.
It's the same cancer that Tennessee is suffering from, wherein Haslam wants to treat UT football as his personal plaything but doesn't know shite.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 12:25 pm to rockiee
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Someone else brought this up as well but do you not think he had control over the basketball hire? I understand that football is another level but Hunter is going to have most of the say on this. Once again, the last coaching search was way different because there really wasn't an AD so obviously boosters are going to have a bigger impact than normal.
1. There wasn't an AD because the boosters had the AD fired to be able to fire the HC who the AD refused to fire when they said go.
2. The booster generally only call for a firing in basketball and are pretty hands-off of the hiring decisions compared to football where they all have their guy.
3. The reason for the above is the majority of the influential donors all stem from the football program during as specific time in history, for their influence to disperse they are going to have to die off it appears as the last AD to ignore them lost his job as result...
Posted on 11/10/19 at 3:18 pm to Beached Tusky
Long served his purpose for a period of time, it was overstayed and his power became more than he could handle. He screwed it up by letting it go to his head.
We needed to get away for a time from the PTB and BOT members running everything. Now we have been back there since CBB and Long left. 2 glorious years.
But, as Dale said is true. I do think we are turning the corner. Where I disagree with Dale is Basketball. We most definitely had the BOT and PTB involved in MA's hiring and firing.
We needed to get away for a time from the PTB and BOT members running everything. Now we have been back there since CBB and Long left. 2 glorious years.
But, as Dale said is true. I do think we are turning the corner. Where I disagree with Dale is Basketball. We most definitely had the BOT and PTB involved in MA's hiring and firing.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 3:23 pm to Razorback Reverend
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But, as Dale said is true. I do think we are turning the corner. Where I disagree with Dale is Basketball. We most definitely had the BOT and PTB involved in MA's hiring and firing.
On instance going back 50 years after Frank muffed up the Heath/Altman/Pel situation so bad. (Had to inject Altman here as we had 3 HCs in a months span). Also Long was backing Pel getting one more year due to that "top 5" recruiting class and challenged the PTB to produce someone better who was guaranteed to come (as if that was a challenge).
Largely they call for a coach to be fired, he's fired, then they are relatively hands off as to who the hire is.
Football the call for the firing then fight over which of their guys should be hired.
This post was edited on 11/10/19 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 11/10/19 at 3:43 pm to DaleDenton
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argely they call for a coach to be fired, he's fired, then they are relatively hands off as to who the hire is. Football the call for the firing then fight over which of their guys should be hired.
aww, I partly misunderstood... however, they definitely pushed for CMA, I was in on those convos…
and I was for CMA as well at the hiring. FWIW
Posted on 11/10/19 at 3:56 pm to Razorback Reverend
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aww, I partly misunderstood... however, they definitely pushed for CMA, I was in on those convos…
and I was for CMA as well at the hiring. FWIW
I know, but that was the exception not the norm.
They (or should I say one major one) called for Nolan to be fired after his meltdown, they wanted Self but weren't willing for the basketball coach to be paid more than the football coach after Illinois matched the offer. Frank was largely to blame for this as well, but it sent the message of what was and will be the priority.
They were right in Mike, he did exactly what the program needed, provided stability and making the program competitive while bridging the gap that Heath and Pelphrey created between the past and present. It was time for a change, but that is the way college athletic works nowdays. Change is good and needed to keep excitement driving ticket sales/revenue. This should be kept in mine for all the talk about a young coach who can be here a decade plus as that isn't going to happen unless it is a coach who is willing to adapt and accept change. Change in offense being key, laugh if you want, but Saban would not still be at Bama had he not be willing to modernize his offense. Losing games is one thing, losing games with an "old philosophy" just begs for change to be made.
Posted on 11/10/19 at 4:07 pm to Beached Tusky
Based on the Muss hire HY has my backing. It will difficult to hit 2 homeruns but I think we really have something in Muss
Posted on 11/10/19 at 4:13 pm to Beached Tusky
I think our talent pool will be much bigger this time around, mainly because we have a permanent AD in place. In hindsight it was foolish to try and hire a head coach before an AD. I realize timing wasnt ideal for either but that really hurt our ability to attract high quality candidates imo. Also say what you will about Chad but I think he left this roster with more talent than Bert did. For those two reasons I trust HY will end up with a great hire.
This post was edited on 11/10/19 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 11/10/19 at 4:17 pm to boogiewoogie1978
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Based on the Muss hire HY has my backing. It will difficult to hit 2 homeruns but I think we really have something in Muss
It isn't x's and o's or game planning that will see Muss achieve here.
He understands personnel sourcing both recruiting and transfers. He structures his program to operate to entice recruits and transfers to heavily consider Arkansas, mainly by running his program similar to how a NBA team is ran, because all of these guys think they have a shot at the NBA even tho the vast majority of the will not.
So, while everyone is arguing over a guy because they like his offense he runs, I'm more interested in a coach who source players in a way to elevate Arkansas, be that in recruiting, transfers, and/or development. I do not care if he runs the triple option or the air raid, can he get guys to Arkansas to make Arkansas competitive.
Spare me the Texas ties non-sense, we just had a guy who is a supposed legend to Texas HS coaches, the best he was able to attract from that state was his own son, who he had to heavily recruit every Friday night apparently.
The only larger Texas HS legend to be had would be Briles who didn't land have steered to him the Texas recruits who would normally end up at Texas/OU/aggy/LSU, he fought for the same scraps Arkansas is going to fight over no matter who the HC is, that is the way that cesspool operates, that is the way it will always operate.
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