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re: Dude on hogville (sorry baws just being upfront) lists order of coaches
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:45 am to Jack Ruby
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:45 am to Jack Ruby
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Dude, Clark took a team from the death penalty to a legit New Years six contender in only a few years.
He makes like 500K at UAB, top. He plays defense big time. He's a great fit.
Agreed.
What he did at UAB is not too far removed from what has to be done here. Where we are isn't program death but you can see it from here.
Plus he would potentially get us into some extremely fertile Alabama recruiting territory. I'll take more Trey Flowerses and Darius Philons please.
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Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:54 am to Feral
The real question is does HY pursue a guy with non-power 5 experience? Success at non-power 5 doesn't always translate. Gonna be intersting to see what happens 
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:58 am to Hogwarts
Look. I get Clark has done a lot for UAB, but put yourself in HY's shoes. He knows he has to get a hire that will excite the fanbase and the PTB. To the common fan, those guys just don't do that. He's going to have to get a guy that is more established.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 11:00 am
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:01 am to Jack Ruby
Pardon my ignorance, where did he do this NY6 business at?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:13 am to Hogwarts
Success AT a Power-5 doesn't always translate.
I haven't done a statistical analysis.. but I think the whole "experienced coach" thing is most likely overrated outside of say a top 3 or 4.
I haven't done a statistical analysis.. but I think the whole "experienced coach" thing is most likely overrated outside of say a top 3 or 4.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:15 am to TheCheshireHog
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Good old duckman. Still wild to think how that guy conned a large portion of HV into leaving their board and following him to the promise land.
He had a good con set up.
He was a likeable poster
He had a ability to draw you in (Halfnaked pictures is his wife)
And he could tell a believable story.
It was the best part watching that coaching search go down. Does he even have a site anymore?
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 11:16 am
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:17 am to beebefootballfan
He parlayed it into a job at Cross Church....
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:23 am to ArCoRazorback
How was Norvell as on OC at Arizona State? I know they haven’t had a good program for sometime until showing some life under Herm.
Given this is his 4th year at Memphis at still producing/improving I don’t worry as much about him taking over a program someone else built. I mean it’s Memphis. He’d have access to more talent here from day 1 on the recruiting trail than at Memphis.
I feel whoever they ultimately hire is going to have a solid connection to assistants; I’m sure HY saw how that partially led to Morris’ downfall here.
Given this is his 4th year at Memphis at still producing/improving I don’t worry as much about him taking over a program someone else built. I mean it’s Memphis. He’d have access to more talent here from day 1 on the recruiting trail than at Memphis.
I feel whoever they ultimately hire is going to have a solid connection to assistants; I’m sure HY saw how that partially led to Morris’ downfall here.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:24 am to Razorback Reverend
Like any good Baptist would
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:25 am to GoldenSombrero
They were decent under Graham
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:36 am to Porcine Human
Get me Gundy and a defense. Don’t know if the defense part with Gundy is achievable though lol
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:27 pm to Hogwarts
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Gundy
Yes if it would have been when he hired Bert. Not sure now. Would rather find some body trending towards the top of their career than someone who may have already surpassed that point.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:34 pm to GoldenSombrero
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feel whoever they ultimately hire is going to have a solid connection to assistants;
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Of 14 coaches hired by Norvell, 8 are now at a Power 5 school. Lured away by more money and bigger programs. Six are now OC's or DC's, Appears coaches across the nation have high regard for the assistants Norvell assembles.
Chip Long (2016 - offensive coordinator): Now in his third year as offensive coordinator at Notre Dame, currently ranked 15th nationally
Darrell Dickey (2016-17 – running backs, offensive coordinator): Dickey is in his second year as Texas A&M offens
ive coordinator and last season the Aggies were ranked 15th in total offense.
Dan Lanning (2016-17, inside linebackers): Lanning spent last season as Georgia’s outside linebackers coach before being promoted to defensive coordinator this season. The Bulldogs are currently 6th nationally in total defense.
David Johnson (2016-17, wide receivers): Johnson has spent the last two seasons at Tennessee, where he coaches wide receivers last season before moving over to running backs this season.
Marcus Woodson (2016-17, defensive backs): Woodson is in his second season coaching defensive backs at Auburn, one of two former Memphis assistants working under Gus Malzahn
Chris Ball (2016-18, defensive coordinator): Ball headed west to become head coach at Northern Arizona. He won in his coaching debut and the Lumberjacks are currently 3-4 on the year
Kenny Dillingham (2016-18, graduate assistant, quarterbacks, tight ends, offensive coordinator): Dillingham was promoted in each of his final two seasons at Memphis and is now the offensive coordinator at Auburn
Will Hall (2018, associate head coach, tight ends): Hall is thriving in his first year as Tulane’s offensive coordinator, where the Green Wave are currently 19th in total offense.
Desmond Lindsey (2018, wide receivers): Lindsey only stayed at Memphis for a season before moving to be running backs coach at Arkansas State
Joe Lorig (2016-18, special teams coordinator, outside linebackers): Lorig is currently special teams coordinator at Penn State, which is ranked 10th in ESPN’s Special Teams Efficiency ratings
Paul Randolph (2016-18, defensive line): Randolph is now defensive line coach at Texas Tech.
Scott Symons (2018, inside linebackers): Symons is defensive coordinator at Liberty under Hugh Freeze.
I would say that Norvell has an eye for good assistants, and is attracting them.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 12:36 pm to Hogwarts
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The real question is does HY pursue a guy with non-power 5 experience? Success at non-power 5 doesn't always translate. Gonna be intersting to see what happens
The talent deficit between G5 and non-elite tier P5 programs has shrunk in recent years, and there is good football being played at that level. We shouldn't let Morris cloud our judgement of G5 candidates simply because we picked the wrong one in 2017.
In looking at the current crop of SEC head coaches, only 5 (Saban, Mullen, Muschamp, Orgeron and Jimbo) had P5 HC experience, and only 2 of those guys came to their current job directly from a P5 school. Oddly enough, only 1 current SEC coach came from a G5 school, and that's Malzahn.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 3:01 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
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I just like him that’s all. I’m not an analyst or an expert and I’m not willing to try to be a fake intellectual on a message board about the “metrics” or some bullshite. Save it for Drewbie.
Not willing to do some basic research of readily available information to see if you can validate your "i just like him lol" stance? That's not being a fake intellectual on a message board, it's just using your human brain for its intended purpose.
"I just like him thats all. frick the analysis and metrics" is obviously how we got got fricking Chad Morris and wasted two years of our lives.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 3:07 pm to STLhog
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Clark just isn't a big enough splash for what we need right now. Do I think he'd be "ok"? Yes, but I think Norvell would be much better and bring more overall optimism.
You were wrong about Clark being 50%. I'm not sure what you were looking at, he's done nothing but kill it and not have one losing season in four years at a program that hadn't been to a bowl since 2004. I realize he isn't a "sexy" hire, but I'm not sure why that matters so much. He's done nothing but make forward progress, and people are starting to catch on. Someone is going to hire him away this year, and if they don't, he'll be next year's Norvell. We shouldn't cheat ourselves out of one of the best hires just because his name isn't in the media's mouth quite as much as Norvell's.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 3:31 pm to VagueMessage
Honest question, but what's the hit rate "big name" or "splash" hires?
Outside of Saban and Meyer, who's panned out who was a big name, can't miss hire? Chris Petersen?
Bert was a big name hire for us. Look how that turned out.
Harbaugh was a splash hire at UM and his tenure has been underwhelming when you look at his record against his rivals.
Herman was a can't miss at Texas. His records have been 7-6, 10-4, and he's sitting on 6-3 right now and almost lost to Kansas a few weeks ago.
Jimbo was an expensive big name hire two years ago at A&M, and he's likely going to finish this year 7-5.
Chip Kelly has been a disaster at UCLA.
Hell, just look at the AP Top 10 this week. Of the top 10, 6 of those coaches were promoted coordinators from the previous staffs and one other (Smart) was hired from a coordinator role.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we need to worry less about exciting the fan base and more about getting a guy who is a good football coach. Get a guy who can coach winning football and the rest will follow.
Outside of Saban and Meyer, who's panned out who was a big name, can't miss hire? Chris Petersen?
Bert was a big name hire for us. Look how that turned out.
Harbaugh was a splash hire at UM and his tenure has been underwhelming when you look at his record against his rivals.
Herman was a can't miss at Texas. His records have been 7-6, 10-4, and he's sitting on 6-3 right now and almost lost to Kansas a few weeks ago.
Jimbo was an expensive big name hire two years ago at A&M, and he's likely going to finish this year 7-5.
Chip Kelly has been a disaster at UCLA.
Hell, just look at the AP Top 10 this week. Of the top 10, 6 of those coaches were promoted coordinators from the previous staffs and one other (Smart) was hired from a coordinator role.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that we need to worry less about exciting the fan base and more about getting a guy who is a good football coach. Get a guy who can coach winning football and the rest will follow.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 3:35 pm to Feral
You are quite right. That is why I think bill Clark could be the best hire. Hell who knows sam pittman could be as well.
I just think there are things about norvell that say he will do good. Besides his coaching hires moving on to bigger places, and him consistently posting a top 15 offense, and his assistants moving on to do the same. His offense IS the cutting edge. Not what morris/gus are running.
I just think there are things about norvell that say he will do good. Besides his coaching hires moving on to bigger places, and him consistently posting a top 15 offense, and his assistants moving on to do the same. His offense IS the cutting edge. Not what morris/gus are running.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 6:24 pm to VagueMessage
I was trying to say in a very polite manner that I don’t give a frick about what you think so you can waste your paragraphs on the other baws that think they’re always right. Trying to do you a service and save you some time, friend.
It’s all like throwing darts at a dartboard anyway.
It’s all like throwing darts at a dartboard anyway.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 11/12/19 at 6:39 pm to BurtReynoldsMustache
I think there is far less luck involved when it comes down to darts at a dart board.
the stars really need to align for us to be more than mediocre again.
the stars really need to align for us to be more than mediocre again.
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