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Posted on 5/24/19 at 8:38 pm to Caughtthat4ironflush
Posted on 5/24/19 at 8:38 pm to Caughtthat4ironflush
quote:We've won the SEC championship twice.
What I was referring to by winning, is winning championships. We have not a single SEC Championship
Coach DeBriyn won it during 1999.
DVH won it during 2004.
Regular season championships >>>>>>>>> tourney championships ---
You even get that elusive shiny trophy that you want:
Turn to page 160:
LINK
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 5/24/19 at 8:53 pm to hilltophog
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DVH won it during 2004.
That was 15 years ago.
There isn't anyway possible a football coach or men's/women's basketball coach would last that long without putting hardware in the case, it wouldn't matter if the football team was going to the citrus bowl every year and the basketball team was playing during the second weekend of the tourney every year, no titles SEC or otherwise = no job in the major sports.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:03 pm to DaleDenton
quote:HORSEEE SHITTTTTTTT
There isn't anyway possible a football coach or men's/women's basketball coach would last that long without putting hardware in the case,
Your boy Mike would have been here still if he made it to the sweet 16. He would have been tenured if he would have made it to the elite 8 (Omaha equivalence) as many times as DVH.... not to mention a national runner up. Let's not forget that we have only missed one post season under DVH. Which was the inverse of what Mike and Bielema did here.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:43 pm to hilltophog
Lots of conjecture on your part, but the facts are that Hatfield was ran out of town after winning the SWC regularly but losing the Cotton Bowl, Nutt was fired after 10 years, won the west 3 times, 0 SEC championships. Both of these men were alums.
Nolan lasted 7-1/2 years after his NC with a National Runner-up, sweet 16, and a SEC Tournament title under his belt during that time frame.
Gary Blair lasted 10 years, went the final 4 during this time frame and finished his final season ranked in the top 25 before having his contract not be renewed. Of course he went on to take aggy to their first final four and winning the NC the following year.
The major sports have a higher bar to achieve than the secondary sports, DVH is the shining example of this.
Nolan lasted 7-1/2 years after his NC with a National Runner-up, sweet 16, and a SEC Tournament title under his belt during that time frame.
Gary Blair lasted 10 years, went the final 4 during this time frame and finished his final season ranked in the top 25 before having his contract not be renewed. Of course he went on to take aggy to their first final four and winning the NC the following year.
The major sports have a higher bar to achieve than the secondary sports, DVH is the shining example of this.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:00 pm to DaleDenton
A shite ton of half truth's on your part but the facts are
Coach Hatfield left due to Broyles being a meddler but if Hatfield makes changes to his staff he probably stays.
Nolan........... much more than wins and losses involved.
Blair wanted to stay and should have but Bev Lewis would not renew Gary Blair's contract which led him to Aggieland.
Not ONE of those coaches were FIRED for underachieving or "loosing" or whatever bs line you are spewing.
ADD: Almost forgot Nutt. Nutt had multiple seasons where he didn't make it to a bowl. He also was "fired" due to off the field garbage. Springdale 5, Gus Bus drama, the news lady... etc. Also... Nutt is an Okie Lite alum. He is a cowboy not a Razorback.
Coach Hatfield left due to Broyles being a meddler but if Hatfield makes changes to his staff he probably stays.
Nolan........... much more than wins and losses involved.
Blair wanted to stay and should have but Bev Lewis would not renew Gary Blair's contract which led him to Aggieland.
Not ONE of those coaches were FIRED for underachieving or "loosing" or whatever bs line you are spewing.
ADD: Almost forgot Nutt. Nutt had multiple seasons where he didn't make it to a bowl. He also was "fired" due to off the field garbage. Springdale 5, Gus Bus drama, the news lady... etc. Also... Nutt is an Okie Lite alum. He is a cowboy not a Razorback.
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:27 pm to hilltophog
quote:what he said.....
hilltophog
and, times... they are a changing. It is the Dollar, dollar bill yall over bling and titles. Sad, but true. Going to the NCAA tourney and winning a few brings in Mullah. Doesn't matter if it is Basketball or baseball, now... football. Get to decent bowl games periodically with lower level ones often and a top 8 bowl in a certain period of time and coach isn't going anywhere unless the fans become jaded.
Posted on 5/24/19 at 10:34 pm to Razorback Reverend
quote:or he screws up off the field.
coach isn't going anywhere unless the fans become jaded.
Hugh Freeze was never going to win a title for Ole Miss. Bert owned him. But Ole Miss was happy. He was winning at a high clip and recruiting his butt off. If he keeps it clean he is still there and probably has a statue outside similar to Gary Patterson at TCU.
Petrino was never going to win a natty either.... recruiting was never consistently elite enough and Saban is the devil. But we all were happy weren't we.
You are correct though. The days of meddling AD's who fire tenured coaches due to a 2 loss season are probably over.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 11:44 am to Razorback Reverend
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and, times... they are a changing. It is the Dollar, dollar bill yall over bling and titles. Sad, but true. Going to the NCAA tourney and winning a few brings in Mullah. Doesn't matter if it is Basketball or baseball, now... football. Get to decent bowl games periodically with lower level ones often and a top 8 bowl in a certain period of time and coach isn't going anywhere unless the fans become jaded.
Disagree.
Football and Basketball will not keep a coach that gets to the NCAA tourney or a shitty bowl game every year. They will eventually be replaced with a coach for similar money, likely after fan support (and spending) on these programs. The athletic department can't afford this as they have to support all the other programs and boosters are more emotionally involved in the major sports. There are many examples to support this in the recent past.
There wasn't the vocal demand after DVH's losing season a few years ago to make wholesale staff changes to "correct" the problem, compare to "bad seasons" for the other two programs or a seasons that simply isn't as good as the season prior, fans demand their 7lbs to "correct" the problem.
The majority of the fanbases are not emotionally attached to college baseball like this, the same fans are likely attached to the Cardinals, Royals, Rangers, etc in this manner. As a whole it makes it easier to just enjoy the games, similar to a Naturals game, doesn't really matter who wins or loses, the hostesses are friendly and the service in the suites are top quality, good ball park food, cold beer, cozy atmosphere, nice way to spend a few hours relaxing watching a game.
What you say is true in baseball, if their salary is reasonable, they put a team on the field that doesn't lose much money for the athletic program each year, they will have a job for as long as they want it. It is about money in the secondary sports more than it is wins and losses, the downfall of the men's track program is a good example.
It isn't criticism to point out DVH hasn't won the SEC in a decade and a half, it is a fact, his teams have performed better in the SEC-T in recent years, but still fell short again in the regular season this time to Vandy.
I saw on another board during the discussion of the men's side of the practice facility being named after Sutton, for bull-shite political reasons since Nolan is having the court named after him in BWA, that DVH "deserves" a statue. It seems the criteria for a statue hasn't been well defined at UA with only Broyles and McDonnell having received one. If the criteria is a NC then someone is missing theirs. If the criteria is the coach who took their program to national prominence for the first time then Debriyn deserves his due, the program was practicing in a cow pasture when he took the job, finished his career with the 14th best overall record in college baseball history which led to everything Arkansas baseball is today.
Posted on 5/25/19 at 6:28 pm to DaleDenton
Stop upvoting your own post your better than that dale
Posted on 5/25/19 at 7:40 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Stop upvoting your own post your better than that dale

This post was edited on 5/25/19 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 5/25/19 at 9:29 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Stop upvoting your own post your better than that dale
Posted on 5/27/19 at 7:06 pm to DaleDenton
We are a national seed and have fans bitching about it. frickin shite.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:01 pm to Columbia
I haven't read a single word on this page except for a post bitching about the SEC tourney.
In baseball there are two clear strategies to the tourney.
1. You are trying to still squeak into the national tournament or have work to do to host.
You play the SEC tourney as hard as you can.
2. Your seeding is pretty much locked + or - 1 spot.
You pull your starters an inning or two early, give some newbies some playing time, and get the hell out of there so you can take the team out for popcorn and a movie.
DVH knows what he's doing, anyone that doesn't understand this at this point is a complete retard.
In baseball there are two clear strategies to the tourney.
1. You are trying to still squeak into the national tournament or have work to do to host.
You play the SEC tourney as hard as you can.
2. Your seeding is pretty much locked + or - 1 spot.
You pull your starters an inning or two early, give some newbies some playing time, and get the hell out of there so you can take the team out for popcorn and a movie.
DVH knows what he's doing, anyone that doesn't understand this at this point is a complete retard.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:13 pm to Ham Solo
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DVH knows what he's doing, anyone that doesn't understand this at this point is a complete retard.
I don't think anyone is arguing that Dave doesn't know what he's doing, just that he can stop saying he cares about winning the conference tournament if he's just trying to get out of there as soon as possible. Why not be honest about it?
Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:20 pm to Stonehog
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Why not be honest about it?
Because it's disrespectful to the SEC.
It also serves a major purpose for any team that has some work left on their resume. We are fortunate enough that it's a waste of our time, but that doesn't mean our coach should come out and bad mouth it.
There could be years in the future where that tournament actually helps us.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:26 pm to Ham Solo
In a press conference Dave said he has a reputation of not caring about the SEC tournament, but he said that's not true and they were trying to win the whole thing. Are you saying that was a lie?
Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:34 pm to Stonehog
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Are you saying that was a lie?
Yes, it's obvious he was trying to get out of there based on how quick starters were pulled in close games and line up decisions.
It would be shitty for him to admit this though in the case that this helps one of the teams that beat us.
It's just a matter of courtesy to other league members. How would you feel if it was a year we needed help, knocked off a big dog, and he comes out and says he wasn't trying too hard?
Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:44 pm to Ham Solo
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How would you feel if it was a year we needed help, knocked off a big dog, and he comes out and says he wasn't trying too hard?
If it was a year we needed help then he would actually care about it. I just don't appreciate him saying he cares about it when he doesn't. He could have just as easily said "We don't have anything to gain in the tournament so we're gonna rest up and get ready for the regional." No one would have a problem with that. My issue is with him being dishonest.
Posted on 5/27/19 at 8:52 pm to Stonehog
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We don't have anything to gain in the tournament so we're gonna rest up and get ready for the regional." No one would have a problem with that. My issue is with him being dishonest.
No disrespect to you personally, but this is fricking stupid.
Proper protocol is to praise your fellow league members for a well played game and get out of there. They will return the favor when the shoe is on the other foot.
Once again, it's a matter of courtesy to fellow league members.
It's disrespectful to say they won cause we weren't trying, and also makes you look like an arse. It gives the appearance you are saying you only lost because you wanted to, even if that's truly the case.
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