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re: Who was the WORST starting QB for us in the 2010s?

Posted on 12/23/19 at 6:47 pm to
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 6:47 pm to
Yeah...Greg McElroy's numbers in 2009 weren't bad by any stretch of the imagination. He went through a rough two or three game stretch there where Saban actually put him into concussion protocol because he believed there was no way any QB could play that bad without being hurt.

He didn't have a concussion.
Posted by Grievous Angel
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 6:50 pm to
It's gotta be Jalen.

And I'll be the one dancing naked if he can somehow lead OU to a NC.

I like the kid, but you can't say it was AJ, Coker, or Tua (or Gmac, since he has that 2009) Glow.

Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 7:46 pm to
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He was the fricking SECCG MVP. In his first career start, he hit Marquis Maze with a bomb to start a 4th quarter comeback. He was far from terrible.



He played so poorly at times in '09' that G-Mac joked that coach Saban asked him as he was coming off the field, "if he was concussed." He was so bad when we played South Carolina at BDS that Mark Ingram literally had to play wildcat the whole evening. Had it not been for Mark and his 250 yards rushing we would have lost. Tennessee and Kiffin come to BDS and G-Mac again stunk up the place and if not for the heroics of Mt. Cody, twice, we would have lost that as well. He was butt awful for most of the game at Auburn in the final regular-season game. If not for the "drive" where he was down to his last possession, that he finally figured out to keep throwing short to Julio, whether he was wide open or not.

By far, the SECCG was the best game Greg had the entire year. A real out of body experience for him. He then follows that up with another clanker against Texas in the natty. A game that he couldn't throw for 100 yards in the game.

Maybe coach Saban was on to something. Maybe he was concussed.
Posted by Rolltide2011
Shelby county
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 7:47 pm to
Coker is a badass country boy and is my favorite QB of all time
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 8:49 pm to
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Tennessee and Kiffin come to BDS and G-Mac again stunk up the place and if not for the heroics of Mt. Cody, twice, we would have lost that as well.


Selective memory forgets Ingram's fumble in our own territory in the 4th quarter against Tennessee that led to the only touchdown of the game.

"Butt awful" against Auburn? Again, selective memory. If you think 21 for 31 and 218 with 2 TDs and 0 INTs is "butt awful" you just don't do football very well.

You want to talk about "butt awful" against Auburn? I'll tell you who was butt awful against Auburn. Mark Ingram and his 16 carries for only 30 yards. Now that was butt awful.

No one is saying McElroy was the greatest QB of the decade, and as already mentioned, he had a bad stretch of a couple of games, but to say that he was "terrble overall" as a QB just displays an astonishing level of football illiteracy.


This post was edited on 12/23/19 at 8:51 pm
Posted by Gary Busey
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:14 pm to
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the entire year. A real out of body experience for him. He then follows that up with another clanker against Texas in the natty. A game that he couldn't throw for 100 yards in the game.


I really can't blame McElroy for that game. It seemed like every time he dropped back, he was being pressured or was sacked. As great of a day as the offensive line run blocking, they were getting killed in pass protection. The only good clean pocket I remember that night was when Greg hooked it up to Julio. I think Texas ended up with five sacks in that game and he only attempted 11 passes.

Early on in '09, McElroy had a 9-1 TD-INT ratio and the offense was rolling. Then, the offense couldn't score touchdowns in the red zone due to poor QB play and questionable play calling from McElwain.
Posted by phil4bama
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Posted on 12/23/19 at 11:27 pm to
Don’t forget, G-Mac played that natty with busted ribs. He was injured bad enough that they were ready to burn AJ’s redshirt in that game.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 1:20 am to
One of JH's seasons
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 6:38 am to
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I really can't blame McElroy for that game. It seemed like every time he dropped back, he was being pressured or was sacked. As great of a day as the offensive line run blocking, they were getting killed in pass protection. The only good clean pocket I remember that night was when Greg hooked it up to Julio. I think Texas ended up with five sacks in that game and he only attempted 11 passes.

Early on in '09, McElroy had a 9-1 TD-INT ratio and the offense was rolling. Then, the offense couldn't score touchdowns in the red zone due to poor QB play and questionable play calling from McElwain.



Half those sacks vs Texas were because Greg hung on to the ball much too long. And you can have a 9-1 ratio for much the same reason. With our potent run game, teams were committed to the box. Julio often had man to man coverage and unless Julio cleared his opponent by a large margin he wasn't throwing the ball. Greg took some hellish hits that season and in the Texas game. Perhaps he took to heart Saban's thing about turnovers more than he should. Sometimes that kind of coaching can make a guy, who already tends to think too much out there and make him too hesitant. He's not the first QB at Bama that got way too cautious with the ball and he had a case of it.

Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 6:49 am to
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but to say that he was "terrble overall" as a QB just displays an astonishing level of football illiteracy.



It that you mentioned "selective memory," I named the exact games Greg was performing badly in and went into detail as to what was going on. And I'll repeat, coach Saban was far more concerned with his performance at the time than I was. The facts of the matter, there were other games that season, particularly midway of the schedule that were just plain bad.
Posted by uofarolltide
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 6:56 am to
The two who couldn't get it done - Sims and Hurts
This post was edited on 12/24/19 at 7:00 am
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 7:19 am to
There really isn't an argument to be made for '09 Mcelroy being better than '16 Hurts, and '14 Sims. If we are going solely by stats, then it clearly isn't close. You put either one of those players on '09 Bama, and the W/L results are the same, but we probably blow the doors off of LSU, UT, and AU.

'10 Mcelroy was significantly better than '09 Mcelroy.
This post was edited on 12/24/19 at 7:20 am
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 7:41 am to
I’m sure I’ll get blasted for this but it’s Blake Sims and it’s not close.
He was awful against Ole Miss and Miss St. He was a turnover machine against Auburn and Ohio st. I know Coker wasn’t the best we’ve had by any stretch but the offensive talent fit his style way more. If he plays all year we likely would’ve won back to back championships. Teams were terrified of Coker’s big arm and they never loaded the box. The best teams loaded the box against Blake and dared him to beat us with his arm.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 8:13 am to
McElroy's 2009 slump began on October 10 against Ole Miss. He was 15-34 in that game for 147 yards and no touchdowns. The very next week he was even worse against South Carolina with a stat line of 10-20 92 yards, 0 TDs and 2 INTs. And then you had his game against Tennessee where he was 18-29 for 120 yards and 0 TDs.

After that...McElroy was pretty good. That terrible interception at the end of the half aside, he threw for close to 300 yards against a solid LSU team. Was a solid 13-18 for 192 yards and 2 TDs against Mississippi State, and saved the day with his performances against both Auburn and Florida.

He finished the 2009 season with a pretty solid stat line:

198-325 (60.9%) 2,508 yards 17 TDs 4 INTs

Those were the best overall stats put up by an Alabama QB in the 00s. The only other QB to finish over 60% passing in a season for us in that decade was Tyler Watts in 2002. And he passed for less than 1,500 yards that year.
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 10:28 am to
Coker wasn’t ready in 2014. He didn’t really start taking off till the 2nd half of the season. And funny you mention Ole Miss and MSU, because Coker was even worse than Sims was against them.

Yeah he threw 3 picks versus AU, but he also scored 5 TDs, had almost 350 total yards, and a 197 passer rating. There’s also the UF game and SECCG game versus Missouri. Both 25 defenses he shredded.

Both Coker and Sims had bad and good games. Neither was clearly better then the other.
Posted by uofarolltide
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/24/19 at 4:23 pm to
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I know Coker wasn’t the best we’ve had by any stretch but the offensive talent fit his style way more. If he plays all year we likely would’ve won back to back championships.

Yup
He was better than he gets credit for. He had the biggest arm of any QB we've had in the Saban era, and was a tough runner
This post was edited on 12/24/19 at 4:30 pm
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/25/19 at 12:23 am to
“ Coker wasn’t ready in 2014.”

We are all entitled to our opinions. Personally I don’t believe this to be true. For some reason, Coker and Kiffin didn’t mesh. Coker’s starting season wasn’t the best but his huge arm loosened up the defenses and allowed us to have over 700 more rushing yards from running backs than we did with Sims under center.
I appreciate what Sims was able to accomplish and that he did what guys aren’t willing to do anymore, wait his turn, but you will never be able to convince me that he’s not the reason we lost both games in 2014. Go back and watch them. Ohio St and Ole Miss loaded the box to stop the run and dared Sims to win with his arm.
Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4612 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 12:27 am to
“There really isn't an argument to be made for '09 Mcelroy being better than '16 Hurts, and '14 Sims. If we are going solely by stats, then it clearly isn't close. You put either one of those players on '09 Bama, and the W/L results are the same, but we probably blow the doors off of LSU, UT, and AU.

'10 Mcelroy was significantly better than '09 Mcelroy.“

This just isn’t true. The offense that season was built on running the ball and play action pass. GMac is definitely less talented than Hurts(more talented than Sims) but he took care of the ball, spread it around enough, and mastered the offense.
Posted by Evolved Simian
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/25/19 at 12:30 am to
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2016 Jalen isn't far behind


Just no.

2016 Jalen set the all time Bama TD record and was second all time (at that point) in total yards by a Bama player. Also named SEC OPOY. He was pretty fricking awesome even with the low completion percentage.

2017 Jalen regressed badly, and it didn't help that Daboll was a shitty coordinator.
This post was edited on 12/25/19 at 12:58 am
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Member since Apr 2015
22539 posts
Posted on 12/25/19 at 1:32 am to
Once again Coker didn’t play well vs Ole Miss either. Also I know he gets a lot of credit for the Clemson game but well over half his yards went to OJ. 4 of OJ’s catches he was wide open because Clemson completely forgot to cover him. Another was a 60 yarder screen. Sims only had one such opportunity vs OSU.

Also we ran for more yards (also we had one more game) because of Henry. He was healthy and we ran the ball more in 2015. Teams were definitely stacking the box versus Henry because we were running him 30-40 times a game towards the end of the season.

Overall the top 2 RBs avg 0.2 YPC more in 15 vs 14. I don’t know how you could say that was definitely because of Coker instead of the OL and Henry being better.
This post was edited on 12/25/19 at 1:35 am
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