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re: What grade would you give Rees thus far?
Posted on 10/14/23 at 9:37 pm to BigFolks6347
Posted on 10/14/23 at 9:37 pm to BigFolks6347
I don't know but I would say B. Maybe B+
I've seen far more wide open players this year already than 2 yrs under BoB
So there's that. But I also don't know how much control he has over LT and Milroes tunnel vision and late/ high throws. Jalen was woefully bad today 1 for 9 for 4 yds and it's not all oline he made bad throws to open people
I've seen far more wide open players this year already than 2 yrs under BoB
So there's that. But I also don't know how much control he has over LT and Milroes tunnel vision and late/ high throws. Jalen was woefully bad today 1 for 9 for 4 yds and it's not all oline he made bad throws to open people
Posted on 10/14/23 at 9:41 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
I can't really give Rees a grade specifically due to stuff like this. Milroe just cannot operate an offense, it's like Daboll with Hurts. The second we pulled Hurts the offense looked dramatically different because of how limited Hurts was.
If I had to i'd say B-. There's a lot of tape where we scheme relatively well but can't or won't throw the open man. We're not struggling with long developing routes like BOB. That being said I think incorporating pop passes and some more movement couldn't hurt.
I also don't agree with this notion of "his offenses sucked". Just running off ESPN efficiencies;
2020: 11th (Ian Book)
2021: 27th (Jack Coan)
2022: 43rd (Drew Pyne)
For reference under Kiffin;
2014: 4th (Sims)
2015: 15th (Coker)
2016: 24th (Hurts)
2022 is the only "bad" year, the other two are pretty on par for the QB/talent.
If I had to i'd say B-. There's a lot of tape where we scheme relatively well but can't or won't throw the open man. We're not struggling with long developing routes like BOB. That being said I think incorporating pop passes and some more movement couldn't hurt.
I also don't agree with this notion of "his offenses sucked". Just running off ESPN efficiencies;
2020: 11th (Ian Book)
2021: 27th (Jack Coan)
2022: 43rd (Drew Pyne)
For reference under Kiffin;
2014: 4th (Sims)
2015: 15th (Coker)
2016: 24th (Hurts)
2022 is the only "bad" year, the other two are pretty on par for the QB/talent.
This post was edited on 10/14/23 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 10/14/23 at 9:51 pm to BigFolks6347
I'll give him a C to C-
There's some things he does well but it took him a while to adjust to Jalens strengths when he had a whole off-season to do that but so far he has been finding a way to win games so ill give him atleast a C
There's some things he does well but it took him a while to adjust to Jalens strengths when he had a whole off-season to do that but so far he has been finding a way to win games so ill give him atleast a C
Posted on 10/14/23 at 10:05 pm to qman91
I would have graded him a C- or D just based off of his film from Notre Dame. Therefore I can't grade him higher than that because his offense here leaves a lot to be desired.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 10:10 pm to Tideordie256
It still baffles me that we gave out 3 other full ride scholarships to QBs that can't pass better than Milroe. Hitting a couple of deep balls every game can't disguise the passing game limitations. I thought maybe Milroe as a running threat might make up for it some, but it hasn't to this point. He might have straight line speed, but he's not very agile in the pocket. Maybe we're saving more designed QB runs for the likes of UT and LSU.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 10:13 pm to TizzyT4theUofA
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today. I don’t know if we didn’t call them or Milroe wouldn’t pull the trigger.
He can’t complete these. Most of his throws are coming in too late or behind the WR. Think of the disasters that can happen on a slant with those.
Posted on 10/14/23 at 11:10 pm to Chad4Bama
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still baffles me that we gave out 3 other full ride scholarships to QBs that can't pass better than Milroe
Its actually 4. But i believe at least 2 of them are better passers than JM.
But, those dudes would be dead meat with our LTs.
This post was edited on 10/14/23 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 10/14/23 at 11:25 pm to UhOhOreo
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I think incorporating pop passes and some more movement couldn't hurt.
Pre-snap movement confuses Milroe.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 1:23 am to Chad4Bama
I don’t think that Simpson can’t throw better than Milroe, I think Saban is just pulling seniority and putting physical attributes (cannon, size) ahead. We did it (seniority) with Jalen and Blake Sims, so it wouldn’t shock me.
Buchner by all accounts is fine in practice but he hasn’t learned the offense well whatsoever. If you compare his USF tape to his ND tape, there’s a lot of ND plays being used. Other than that I’m not sure what the frick happened to his mechanics that game
I think Saban pigeonholed himself into Milroe by
1) Not splitting reps against MTSU like we should have
2) Waiting until USF, which ended up being a disaster piece scenario
3) Crowning Milroe the starter even with the knowledge he would continue to struggle
Milroe’s been in development for three years. If he’s this limited on the mental side, he’s never going to get it. I’ll be curious if we keep him as the starter next year or actually let someone challenge him
Buchner by all accounts is fine in practice but he hasn’t learned the offense well whatsoever. If you compare his USF tape to his ND tape, there’s a lot of ND plays being used. Other than that I’m not sure what the frick happened to his mechanics that game
I think Saban pigeonholed himself into Milroe by
1) Not splitting reps against MTSU like we should have
2) Waiting until USF, which ended up being a disaster piece scenario
3) Crowning Milroe the starter even with the knowledge he would continue to struggle
Milroe’s been in development for three years. If he’s this limited on the mental side, he’s never going to get it. I’ll be curious if we keep him as the starter next year or actually let someone challenge him
This post was edited on 10/15/23 at 1:30 am
Posted on 10/15/23 at 7:58 am to labamafan
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I can’t pass judgement on a OC with the limitations he has on the line.
This...all day long.
He's a huge improvement over BoB. On 2nd and goal from the 1, he has Milroe under center and does the mush push for an easy TD. fricking BoB would have been in the shotgun and we'd have lost 3 yards, thrown incomplete on 3rd down, and kicked a FG. Is anyone here gonna give Rees some credit for that? OL play at times has been putrid...we have a LT and a C that never would have seen the field in the last 16 years. Just look at who we've had at center...Caldwell, Vlachos, Jones, Kelly, Bozeman, Pierschbacher, Dickerson. Our current center never would have played a snap the last 16 years.
Rees is a work in progress. I'm happy to give him time. We definitely need a better OL coach immediately.
Posted on 10/15/23 at 10:24 pm to BigFolks6347
C-C+ for me. I think pitchforks should be out for Wolford first.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:00 am to Richard Dangler
I'd give Rees a B-. I think with the offensive line being so bad and Milroe (for better or worse) at QB, we're limited. I guess I'm just incredulous that we have all these former 4-5 star recruits/players and we're struggling so bad.
I was willing to give Wolford some time but I haven't seen much, if any improvement in the O line performance since he's been there. Surely, there is a good O line coach out there willing to come to Tuscaloosa?
I was willing to give Wolford some time but I haven't seen much, if any improvement in the O line performance since he's been there. Surely, there is a good O line coach out there willing to come to Tuscaloosa?
Posted on 10/16/23 at 7:19 am to BigFolks6347
C-
Rees is passing largely because he has deduced that calling shot plays is the only way to move the ball in the air. It is nearly not a passing grade because the litany of failures on offense ultimately are his responsibility. I do not think he’s up to this job and will be some other team’s QB Coach or OC next fall.
Rees is passing largely because he has deduced that calling shot plays is the only way to move the ball in the air. It is nearly not a passing grade because the litany of failures on offense ultimately are his responsibility. I do not think he’s up to this job and will be some other team’s QB Coach or OC next fall.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:48 am to UhOhOreo
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Milroe’s been in development for three years. If he’s this limited on the mental side, he’s never going to get it. I’ll be curious if we keep him as the starter next year or actually let someone challenge him
I'm sure Milroe is an adequate student in the classroom but on the football field he seems like a guy who would be excited if he made an 85 on the test but regrettably that test was an IQ test.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:29 pm to Diego Ricardo
B or B-.
The Good:
He's honing in on what Milroe does well and avoiding what he doesn't do well in the passing game.
He's fixed some things as the year has gone on - going under center for short yardage/goal to go situations.
The Bad:
Not enough QB runs
Lack of creativity in run game
Out of his control:
QB talent
OL talent/execution
The Good:
He's honing in on what Milroe does well and avoiding what he doesn't do well in the passing game.
He's fixed some things as the year has gone on - going under center for short yardage/goal to go situations.
The Bad:
Not enough QB runs
Lack of creativity in run game
Out of his control:
QB talent
OL talent/execution
Posted on 10/16/23 at 2:58 pm to UhOhOreo
If had to grade it, I’d give it a B. I think it’s a breath of fresh air honestly to be able to run it and give our defense a rest. No razzle dazzle side to side hand offs and quick lateral screens that our offense essentially became once Kiffin was brought on. I understand the talent was there, but just not my favorite. You can obviously see there’s some hesitation with milroe taking off on the ground. Maybe it’s because after the UT game they drilled in his head not to turn it over, or to protect himself. I was not too harsh on Buchner because that USF game had to be literally the absolute worst conditions for a “qb tryout” honestly. It was a monsoon. Only reason I am not giving the offensive coordinator an A is because of what happened in the second half this past weekend. Why, when we are up 21-6, do you just start slinging the ball? We ran it until they shut it down in the first half, then started passing. There was absolutely no reason to come out throwing passes in the second half.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 4:34 pm to UhOhOreo
Are you saying Blake Sims only started over Coker because he was older?
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:20 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
Don’t expect to be able to get a great OC replacement either. If you are an OC looking for a job then saban isn’t the best around. He’s going to stick you with JM next year and the bama playbook. Even Sark would look like a garbage OC with the limitations we have this year (and next)
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 9:21 pm
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