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re: UA Basketball (16-15, 8-10)
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:36 am to GenesChin
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:36 am to GenesChin
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Want to make sure I understand this stupid meltdown
-Bama hires coach who wants to go Ricky Bobby fast and shoot 3s
-Bama coach inherits team who generall sucks at shooting 3s with limited depth before getting hit with injury bug
-Bama board members meltdown because in SEC grind their 2 key players avg 35+mpg, whose production can't be replaced, aren't carrying the remaining FR / benchwarmers
Ya'll are being stupid. It's like trying to run the triple option offense with AJ McCarron
I'd also like to add on this stupid notion that recruiting is the end all of winning in CBB.
Kentucky + Duke Final Fours Since 2005
- 6
- UK: 4
- Duke*: 2
* Duke's 2010 F4/Championship was built on upperclassmen
Wisconsin, Nova, Butler Final Fours Since 2005
- 7
- Nova: 2
- Wiscy: 3
- Butler: 2
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:48 am to GenesChin
Not sure many people are melting down outside of a few usuals. Most of us are just shrugging our shoulders and saying this is a lost season for various reasons, it sucks, and we'll see next year.
There is no conclusion to be reached on Oats or the future based on this season - positively or negatively.
There is no conclusion to be reached on Oats or the future based on this season - positively or negatively.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 11:48 am
Posted on 2/5/20 at 11:51 am to GenesChin
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- Nova: 2
- Wiscy: 3
- Butler: 2
This is incredibly deceptive. We aren't talking final fours here, we are talking winning 22+ games a year and hell yes recruiting makes a gigantic difference in achieving that in a p5 conference. The reason those teams reached final fours were players staying 4 years and vastly outplaying their expecations. That isn't sustainable.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/5/20 at 12:05 pm to The Spleen
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Lack of depth can absolutely contribute to both. Tired players make dumb decisions.
I phrased that poorly. I should have said depth isn’t the cause of our bad play
Posted on 2/5/20 at 12:10 pm to Robot Santa
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Our biggest problem on offense is that Kira and Bolden are the two worst non-Galin decision makers on the entire team while also being tasked with making the most on-ball decisions on the team. They both make piss poor reads all the time, which results in a bunch of idiotic throwaway or dribble into three defenders type turnovers
I'm thinking this is a major reason we're so poor late in games/halves.
We really get away from pushing the ball -- which is really the only time we're outscoring anyone -- and seem to try to "maximize" our possessions or drain clock or something.
This backfires horribly since it seems to lead to the ball being in Kira's hands to "create" way too much.
It seems that our possessions down the stretch invariably look like this:
1 Kira missed contested layup
1 absurd turnover that leads to a layup
1 Kira layup or FTs
1 additional contested missed Kira layup or turnover in traffic
1 Kira kicks out for 3 pt shot on a kick out that is only to open shooter half the time or player takes desperation 3
While a lot has changed under Oats, this is the EXACT same thing we did in crunch time last season under Avery.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 12:55 pm to wm72
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“I thought about calling a timeout but with the matchups we had, I was hoping that Kira could get to the basket and score or draw a foul,” Alabama coach Nate Oats said. “It didn’t happen. It ended up with Jayden and it’s up to him to decide whether to drive or shoot a three.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 1:06 pm to Gary Busey
He also said he didn't want to call a timeout and give Tennessee a chance to get their defense called and set up like they wanted. Said we had good matchups.
We of course would've also had to inbound the ball after the timeout which isn't our specialty.
We of course would've also had to inbound the ball after the timeout which isn't our specialty.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 1:29 pm to Gary Busey
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“I thought about calling a timeout but with the matchups we had, I was hoping that Kira could get to the basket and score or draw a foul,” Alabama coach Nate Oats said. “It didn’t happen. It ended up with Jayden and it’s up to him to decide whether to drive or shoot a three.
Yeah, I really don't mean to say it's never a good play to have Kira driving to the basket.
The problem is when that's the offense for 10 of 12 possessions down the stretch in the last 6 or so minutes.
I would be a lot more optimistic about our chances in close games seeing them continue to push the ball relentlessly and take the first open three or open drive before the defense is set.
We play right into the hands of Tennessee/Arkansas when the game turns to one of 30 second possessions where we hold the ball after a rare defensive stop.
I do realize the short roster plays a big part in this.
However, it also makes it much less of a "mystery" to see where we get outscored down the stretch when we've usually built our leads by getting off a ton of three point shots.
For all the times I've seen our "seconds per possession" stats, I'd like to see the difference in those when we're building leads vs the last 5 or so minutes of halves.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/5/20 at 1:38 pm to wm72
We did end up getting Forbes a look from point blank range but their guy made a great play blocking it from behind. If we had blocked one like that I’m sure it would’ve been called a foul but it is what it is.
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Posted on 2/5/20 at 1:40 pm to wm72
I don’t understand it either. There were numerous opportunities in both games to push the ball up the court and catch the opposition out of position for a possible drive or open 3. Instead, we pulled up and played a half court game. And other times we tried to push it when the D is back and ready for it. It’s beyond stupid. We are most successful when push the ball across midcourt every time THEN decide if we have an opening or have to run a play. I know they are tired but Kira has to push it across the half court line every possession to maximize the offense.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 1:57 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think this is it.
We had a bit of fool's gold a few weeks ago, but the fact remains that this style game that oats wants to run with needs parts. We are severely limited and missing herb Jones just sort of seals our fate.
Perhaps Oats needs to be better about utilizing the talent he has instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
But, as it appears this season is going down the drain, I do think if some things fall into place and for once we have a full and healthy roster, we'll be fine
We had a bit of fool's gold a few weeks ago, but the fact remains that this style game that oats wants to run with needs parts. We are severely limited and missing herb Jones just sort of seals our fate.
Perhaps Oats needs to be better about utilizing the talent he has instead of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
But, as it appears this season is going down the drain, I do think if some things fall into place and for once we have a full and healthy roster, we'll be fine
Posted on 2/5/20 at 3:17 pm to East Coast Band
I don’t think beating Auburn and Miss state by a combined 40 and winning 10 out of 13 or whatever it was, was fools gold. I think with Herb and Beetle healthy and with Petty being as hot as he was for a month and a half we were a good team and without them, and with Petty cooling off we aren’t very good.
Maybe it was a bit of fools gold in that we seemed to have our turnover problem figured out when we really didn’t.
Our bigs are rebounding terribly, Galin and Davis combined for 6 rebounds last night, no excuse for that when you have Petty getting 11. Herb was getting 8+ rebounds most games and we really miss that, hard to get out and run in transition not getting rebounds.
Maybe it was a bit of fools gold in that we seemed to have our turnover problem figured out when we really didn’t.
Our bigs are rebounding terribly, Galin and Davis combined for 6 rebounds last night, no excuse for that when you have Petty getting 11. Herb was getting 8+ rebounds most games and we really miss that, hard to get out and run in transition not getting rebounds.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 2/5/20 at 3:39 pm to CrimsonFever
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don’t think beating Auburn and Miss state by a combined 40 and winning 10 out of 13 or whatever it was, was fools gold. I think with Herb and Beetle healthy and with Petty being as hot as he was for a month and a half we were a good team and without them, and with Petty cooling off we aren’t very good.
Yeah, Herbert being out is flat out devastating for this team. No two ways around that. It means we're not complaining about turnovers etc etc etc leading to close 82-78 wins but to losses.
Petty is a more complex issue to me since a player than mainly scores from 3 pointers is going to have dips since his open shots depends on how he's being guarded and set up by teammates.
Maybe the better basketball coaches here have a clearer picture but I think
1) it's hard to know if Petty is really "cold" or not because he just hasn't got many good looks the past two games.
2) this likely has a lot to do with missing Herbert kicking it out to him as they had a nice chemistry as well as Petty being an option to take the initial outlet pass much more often now as well
I would hope Oats addresses what Kira/Shack etc can do to get Petty more open looks as well as Petty's movement / positioning.
3) Petty has had a lot more defensive responsibility without Herbert since he's usually taking the best opposing player now.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 2/5/20 at 3:58 pm to wm72
Teams have definitely made it their main priority to lock up Petty.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 4:14 pm to CrimsonFever
On a positive note: Shack has played pretty good and has reached double digits in the last six games. He's going to be really fun to watch grow.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 2/5/20 at 4:31 pm to Gary Busey
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On a positive note: Shack has played pretty good and has reached double digits in the last six games. He's going to be really fun to watch grow.
He's also not afraid to make a play when a play needs to be made late.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 4:44 pm to Gary Busey
Shack is the only one on the team with mental toughness and no fear IMO. He isn’t afraid to miss or make a mistake.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 4:53 pm to mistaken4193
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Shack is the only one on the team with mental toughness and no fear IMO. He isn’t afraid to miss or make a mistake.
Assuming growth over 4 years (which is dangerous at Alabama), he is going to be one of those perfect college basketball players. Not quite talented or big enough to leave early for the NBA, but a really good player who you will get 4 seasons out of.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 5:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Assuming growth over 4 years (which is dangerous at Alabama), he is going to be one of those perfect college basketball players. Not quite talented or big enough to leave early for the NBA, but a really good player who you will get 4 seasons out of.
Those are the type of players Oats is going to have to sign a lot of IMO. The faster you play the more players have to trust each other. That trust is difficult to build in a year no matter how talented a guy is.
Posted on 2/5/20 at 5:17 pm to Robot Santa
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Those are the type of players Oats is going to have to sign a lot of IMO. The faster you play the more players have to trust each other. That trust is difficult to build in a year no matter how talented a guy is.
Yes - a mid major approach but with a higher caliber player. A roster that can continually turn over with guys who know the system and are comfortable in it. Some years the talent will be better than others, but you know that you can run your stuff and not have to think twice about it every year because of the institutional knowledge on the roster.
We should hopefully start to get some of that next year and by year 3 it clearly has to be fully ingrained.
This post was edited on 2/5/20 at 5:18 pm
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