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re: UA Basketball (16-15, 8-10)

Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:19 am to
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:19 am to
Man he's getting better every game. His confidence is rising and I love it for him
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:20 am to
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I remember countless games where he would make the first one and then do nothing for the next 45 minutes besides shoot 3s, of which he would make 2 and miss 11


Nothing united a Philips Arena crowd like screaming NOOOOO at Josh when he caught a pass in the corner.

Listening to Steve Holman get angry at Josh on radio is still one of my favorite things ever.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 9:21 am
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:29 am to
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Nothing united a Philips Arena crowd like screaming NOOOOO at Josh when he caught a pass in the corner.

Listening to Steve Holman get angry at Josh on radio is still one of my favorite things ever.


Don’t get me wrong, because I was there with y’all, but part of me wonders if he’d be getting the same response today in the analytics era.

I mean I still cringe at Bembry shooting threes, but it’s what they’re encouraged to do these days so I don’t complain about it as much.

Maybe Josh Smith was more in tune with the analytics before it became popular. Maybe instead of Steph Curry, it was actually Josh Smith that revolutionized the game
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 9:32 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:31 am to
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Don’t get me wrong, because I was there with y’all, but part of me wonders if he’d be getting the same response today in the analytics era.

I mean I still cringe at Bembry shooting threes, but it’s what they’re encouraged to do these days so I don’t complain about it as much.

Maybe Josh Smith was more in tune with the analytics before it became popular....







LOLOLOLOL
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:34 am to
KenPom Expected Final Record of Alabama OOC Opponents
- Penn (14-13, 7-7) (L)
- Florida Atlantic (15-12, 7-7) (W)
- Rhode Island (21-9, 13-5) (L)
- Furman (23-8, 13-5) (W)
- North Carolina (13-18, 6-14) (L)
- Iowa State (14-17, 7-11) (L)
- Southern Miss (8-19, 4-10) (W)
- Stephen F. Austin (25-6, 16-4) (W)
- Penn State (21-10, 11-9) (L)
- Samford (11-21, 5-13) (W)
- Belmont (23-8, 14-4) (W)
- Richmond (23-8, 13-5) (W)
- Kansas State (12-19, 5-13) (?)
Posted by IB4bama
Pelham
Member since Oct 2017
2247 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:36 am to
Herb hardly ever even tries a 3. He will play in the nba, some day. Herb is the least of our problems. I suspect that Oats would play him every minute of every game if he didnt tire out. Same with Petty and Kira.

If Kira gets hurt, we can just call in the dogs and piss on the fire, cause the hunt is over. Beetle is a fricking disaster at point guard.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:37 am to
GOOD
- Furman (23-8, 13-5) (W)
- Stephen F. Austin (25-6, 16-4) (W)
- Belmont (23-8, 14-4) (W)
- Richmond (23-8, 13-5) (W)


BAD
- Penn (14-13, 7-7) (L)
- North Carolina (13-18, 6-14) (L)
- Iowa State (14-17, 7-11) (L)
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:37 am to
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Herb hardly ever even tries a 3


He hasn't the last few games but he was earlier while he figured out how to play in the system


quote:

Herb is the least of our problems


Herb isn't a problem at all - he is playing great
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 9:38 am
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41005 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:37 am to
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Iowa State (14-17, 7-11) (L)



Didn’t realize they turned out to be so bad.
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41005 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:39 am to
Goodness, they lost at home to Florida A&M.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:39 am to
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Didn’t realize they turned out to be so bad.



They really only have 1 bad loss, but their OOC was tough and that league is unforgiving. 6 of their 9 losses are to teams in the Top 30.

Losses
#1 Kansas
#5 Baylor
#11 Seton Hall
#14 Iowa
#25 Texas Tech
#29 Michigan
#60 TCU
#71 Oregon State
#297 Florida A&M (not good Bob)
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 9:40 am
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46277 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:42 am to
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Don’t get me wrong, because I was there with y’all, but part of me wonders if he’d be getting the same response today in the analytics era.


I think so just because of how bad of a 3pt shooter he was. He only made 28% of them in his career. It doesn't take peak efficiency on 2 point shots to be more effective than that operating exclusively inside. Especially for a guy like him who had a solid inside game.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 9:44 am
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41005 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:43 am to
ESPN BPI has us at 80.5% against Kansas State.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:44 am to
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I think so just because of how bad of a 3pt shooter he was. He only made 28% of them in his career. It doesn't take peak efficiency on 2 point shots to be more effective than that operating exclusively inside. Especially for a guy like him who had a solid inside game.



Yea - pretty sure the analytics would identify him as a "Dunk Only" guy and not a "3 Point Shooter" guy.

Everybody loves shooting 3's but we don't have Galin out there chucking them up. There is still some level of individual "can you actually make shots?" that goes into it.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 9:45 am
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
46277 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:48 am to
Yeah to me the gray area is like 31-34%. If you're in there as a 3pt shooter then you should probably be a layup and dunk guy unless it's wide open. Less than that and you need to be a nothing outside of 5 feet guy. More than that and you can be bombs away all day every day.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:54 am to
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Yeah to me the gray area is like 31-34%. If you're in there as a 3pt shooter then you should probably be a layup and dunk guy unless it's wide open. Less than that and you need to be a nothing outside of 5 feet guy. More than that and you can be bombs away all day every day.



Also - there are guys who are good 3 PT shooters when wide open and in rythm who struggle on catch and shoot or with guys around them. Those guys may average out to 31%, but the advanced look tells you they shoot 40% when open and with time and 20% when crowded.

Those guys are pretty clearly "if they leave you open" guys.

Herb, from my naked eye, doesn't seem to shoot it all that well even when left wide open (which is mainly all he shoots, really).
Posted by biggsc
Member since Mar 2009
34777 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 10:01 am to
Any update on Davis?
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
22277 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:13 am to
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Nate Oats said #Alabama is still waiting for the results on Javian Davis' MRI on his injured right knee. "My guess would be he's questionable for this weekend based on the MRI. But he's actually walking. He's not even on crutches this morning. So, I don't think it's that bad."


LINK

Great news, if they're right.
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 11:17 am
Posted by CrimsonFever
Gump Hard or Go Home
Member since Jul 2012
18095 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:19 am to
That would be great news. We need his rebounding, I think he got 7 rebounds in the less than 15 minutes he played last night.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30313 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 11:24 am to
Thank God.... I hope Oats is right with his assumptions
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 11:29 am
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