Started By
Message

re: Tua was “this close” to staying

Posted on 1/31/20 at 5:23 am to
Posted by Cobrasize
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
49682 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 5:23 am to
I said that he wouldn’t go in the first round, and I was dead wrong.
I was flat out wrong about that, and I apologize.
Posted by Bolivar Shagnasty
Your mothers corner
Member since Aug 2017
655 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 5:39 am to
What are guys gonna do if Dabo is our next coach?


Gonna be similar to when we hired Saban.


LSU Fan: You know he is a SOB, right?

Bama Fan: Yeah, but he is our SOB now!!
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
13289 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 6:01 am to
I really believe he was close to coming back too. You could tell in his press conference a couple times he looked uncomfortable and his father obviously plays a big part in ALL decisions for the family . Having said that , he made the right decision and I hope he has an awesome career . Special kid for sure
Posted by ATLabama
Member since Jan 2013
1602 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 9:48 am to
quote:

What are guys gonna do if Dabo is our next coach?


Gonna be similar to when we hired Saban.


Saban as a coach, motivator, organization manager, and philosopher is hands down much more admirable and easy to stomach than Dabo.

Dabo's "little 'ole Bama" schtick won't fly here. Moreover, I don't want our fans thinking that the mighty and powerful lord gives one iota of a care about who wins an "amateur" football game. We already see that crap at Auburn, and I don't want it here.
Posted by 14&Counting
Eugene, OR
Member since Jul 2012
37697 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 11:19 am to
quote:

Dabo's "little 'ole Bama" schtick won't fly here. Moreover, I don't want our fans thinking that the mighty and powerful lord gives one iota of a care about who wins an "amateur" football game. We already see that crap at Auburn, and I don't want it here.




Fans want a General Patton type as leader like Bryant and Saban. Its what they respect and respond to,,,,,

Dabo is the Joel Osteen of coaches
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11458 posts
Posted on 1/31/20 at 10:52 pm to
How different would things be if Tua had just thrown a ball away against Tennessee and not sprained his ankle?

We would have whipped LSU and Auburn’s asses and destroyed the narrative about LSU, greatest team ever. Man, what could have been.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14348 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 8:38 am to
quote:

How different would things be if Tua had just thrown a ball away against Tennessee and not sprained his ankle?

We would have whipped LSU and Auburn’s asses and destroyed the narrative about LSU, greatest team ever. Man, what could have been.


Bama was a flawed football team. They were talented just not a doorstop kind of team. We have literally gone from Defense U to the kind of offensive principles that would make "The Pirate" envious. Where do we go from here, especially with Bryce Young type talent in the barn?

This season felt a little like the kind of team Urban Meyer was putting on the field after their 2014 championship. Immensely talented from top to bottom but just flawed enough to keep getting beat somewhere they shouldn't have. It's tough at the top.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22800 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 9:56 am to
quote:

How different would things be if Tua had just thrown a ball away against Tennessee and not sprained his ankle?

We would have whipped LSU and Auburn’s asses and destroyed the narrative about LSU, greatest team ever. Man, what could have been.


Or if he had thrown the ball away instead of throwing an interception inside our own 20 with 15 seconds left in the 1st half to give LSU 7 points. Or if he hadn't fumbled without being touch inside LSU's redzone.

Nobody will admit it, but Tua choked in every big game we had.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14348 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 10:05 am to
quote:

Nobody will admit it, but Tua choked in every big game we had.


Then explain the big second-half comeback vs LSU? We finally catch up after being down big time and our defense proceeds to resort back to first-half form getting walked down the field in the 4th. Chunk play after chunk play with the same simple throws and QB runs? With just a half-azz defense that long bomb to Devonte Smith could have finished off the Tigers.
Posted by RTRcdub
Member since Nov 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 10:18 am to
quote:

How different would things be if Tua had just thrown a ball away against Tennessee and not sprained his ankle?

We would have whipped LSU and Auburn’s asses and destroyed the narrative about LSU, greatest team ever. Man, what could have been.


Although Tua wasn’t 100%, the mistakes he made in that game didn’t appear to be the result of his ankle injury. Also, most would think he would have learned to throw the ball away after sitting on the bench and watching Hurts run to the sideline and throw it away every other play for a year. Tua tries to make something out of nothing too often, and it costed him the past two seasons.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22800 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 10:24 am to
quote:


Then explain the big second-half comeback vs LSU? We finally catch up after being down big time and our defense proceeds to resort back to first-half form getting walked down the field in the 4th. Chunk play after chunk play with the same simple throws and QB runs? With just a half-azz defense that long bomb to Devonte Smith could have finished off the Tigers.


Alabama didn't start scoring until almost the 4th quarter.

Scored 1 TD the entire first half on offense. Didn't score the 2nd TD until there was 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter.

But even then, that drive was all Najee Harris. Tua went 3-7 on the drive, with 2 of the completions being to Najee. The rest of the drive and what got things going were Najee Harris runs.

1. Najee Harris runs for 31 yards
2. Incomplete pass
3. Najee Harris pass for 23 yards
4. Najee Harris runs for 7 yards
5. Incomplete pass
6. Incomplete pass
7. Ruggs pass for 22 yards
8. Incomplete pass
9. Najee Harris runs for 8 yards
10. Najee Harris runs for 4 yards
11. Najee Harris pass for 15 yards for TD.

11 plays, 7 pass attempts and 3 completions(42%). That drive was all Najee Harris.

The following drive was also mostly Najee Harris.

1. Najee Harris runs for 14 yards
2. Incomplete pass
3. Incomplete pass - but defensive holding called.
4. 32 yard pass to Devonta
5. Najee Harris runs for 9 yards
6. Najee Harris runs for -1 yards
7. Najee Harris runs for 1 yard
8. Najee Harris runs for 12 yards
9. Incomplete Pass
10. Najee Harris runs for 1 yard

Tua hits 1-4(25%) of his passes. This drive ends in the 4th quarter.

It wasn't until the following drive that Tua started to show up. But by now we are already into the 4th quarter, and we only get the ball 2 more times.

In the 1st quarter, we managed 1 TD that took 4 plays. AKA basically 1 explosive play. Other than that, we fumbled the ball inside LSU's 10 yard line without being touched and threw an interception with 15 seconds left in the half on our own side of the field, putting LSU with the ball on our own 13.

Previous big game: Only scored 16 points and was shut out the 2nd half.

Prior to that, It was vs Georgia and Hurts was the one who saved the day. Incoming injury excuses.

The only good game he had against a good defense was the 2nd half of the Georgia NC game. Which will make him a legend forever. But beyond that, nothing.

AJ McCarron is still the greatest QB of the Saban era.


Posted by Pandy Fackler
Member since Jun 2018
14301 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 10:29 am to
quote:

Nobody will admit it, but Tua choked in every big game we had.


I'll admit it.

Or at least I'll say it this way. He had one "clutch" moment during his time at Alabama and that was pretty much it.

If there was a time (other than 2 and 26) he stepped up and put the team on his shoulders, I can't remember it.

Tua is a bit of an oddity. He has all these ridiculous numbers and not much at all to show for it on his own.

One amazing half of football and the rest of it? Alot of largely meaningless percentages and statistics.

I'll remember Tua for two things. Two and twenty six and his refusal to be coached.

You know what was great about the three championship winning quarterbacks prior to Tua and what's also great about Mac Jones?

They all know when to throw away a frickin' football.
This post was edited on 2/1/20 at 10:32 am
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26991 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 10:53 am to
quote:

Dabo is the Joel Osteen of coaches



He's won 2 of the last 4 national championships.

He can be the fricking Ernest Angley of coaches, for all I care.

Just win, baby. Period. If a few message board posters get sand in their vaginas because they don't like him, I really don't give a shite.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14348 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 10:56 am to
quote:


The only good game he had against a good defense was the 2nd half of the Georgia NC game. Which will make him a legend forever. But beyond that, nothing.

AJ McCarron is still the greatest QB of the Saban era.



You must be into revisionist history. In a matter of a quarter of football, Bama went from 13 points to 41. Tua threw for 418 yards. Which surpassed Burrows. The defense sux oranges in that game. As it did against every so-called elite team. When those QB stats aren't enough to beat your opponent on your field your defense sux along with your DC.

The only thing Tua is guilty of is making it look easy, whether you have a good team or not. Check the record books and see if you can find another QB that went to the 9th game of the season and never played in the entire 4th quarter? Hint: It ain't there. That's how much Tua chocked in 2018. And frankly, he accomplished that with an OC that wasn't much more than a one-trick poney with his schemes.

Ironically, AJ's greatest comeback actually came against LSU in the "blitz and the screen" game in 2012. He was so bad in that game that when McCarron started on the field for the last drive, Vern commented, I don't see how he's going to do it because he hasn't thrown for anything in the second half. He did it because our defense refused to lose that game. AJ put one decent drive together and he's a legend and Tua is a chock artist?

The "game of the century" saw AJ screw it up by the numbers at home with the entire world watching and we LOST. In the rematch, it was the defense that held LSU to 92 total yards. Otherwise, it was going to be another field goal fest. Does all this make AJ a legend vs LSU and Tua a chock artist?

Does Tua get demoted for his 2018 win vs the Tigers in BR cause he won by 29 points? In your world that would only qualify as a great win if Tua actually won the game 29 to 28 with a TD throw with 2 seconds in the game.
Posted by RTRcdub
Member since Nov 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 11:03 am to
After seeing what LSU did to other teams, it’s hard to say the defense completely sucked that game. They made stops in the first half that the offense either didn’t capitalize on or gave it right back with a turnover. Once Tua hit his hot streak in the second half, they were gassed.
This post was edited on 2/1/20 at 11:04 am
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
14348 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 11:11 am to
quote:

After seeing what LSU did to other teams, it’s hard to say the defense completely sucked that game. They made stops in the first half that the offense either didn’t capitalize on or gave it right back with a turnover. Once Tua hit his hot streak in the second half, they were gassed.


They were "gassed" because Pete Golding couldn't get his defense off the field. All season, chunk play after chunk play, all season. LSU's offense did open heart surgery on our defense without the anesthesia.
Posted by RTRcdub
Member since Nov 2019
1347 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 11:26 am to
Compared to Clemson, Oklahoma, and Georgia, Bama’s defense was average. Auburn was the only team to keep LSU under 30 points all year.
Posted by Capstone2017
I love lead paint- PokeyTiger
Member since Dec 2013
2235 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 3:33 pm to
They are booing you but you are right.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22800 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 6:19 pm to
quote:


You must be into revisionist history. In a matter of a quarter of football, Bama went from 13 points to 41. Tua threw for 418 yards. Which surpassed Burrows. The defense sux oranges in that game. As it did against every so-called elite team. When those QB stats aren't enough to beat your opponent on your field your defense sux along with your DC.

The only thing Tua is guilty of is making it look easy, whether you have a good team or not. Check the record books and see if you can find another QB that went to the 9th game of the season and never played in the entire 4th quarter? Hint: It ain't there. That's how much Tua chocked in 2018. And frankly, he accomplished that with an OC that wasn't much more than a one-trick poney with his schemes.

Ironically, AJ's greatest comeback actually came against LSU in the "blitz and the screen" game in 2012. He was so bad in that game that when McCarron started on the field for the last drive, Vern commented, I don't see how he's going to do it because he hasn't thrown for anything in the second half. He did it because our defense refused to lose that game. AJ put one decent drive together and he's a legend and Tua is a chock artist?

The "game of the century" saw AJ screw it up by the numbers at home with the entire world watching and we LOST. In the rematch, it was the defense that held LSU to 92 total yards. Otherwise, it was going to be another field goal fest. Does all this make AJ a legend vs LSU and Tua a chock artist?

Does Tua get demoted for his 2018 win vs the Tigers in BR cause he won by 29 points? In your world that would only qualify as a great win if Tua actually won the game 29 to 28 with a TD throw with 2 seconds in the game.


I like Tua and don't want to trash the guy. He was amazing at times, the most talented QB I've seen at Alabama. The reality is he made some really bad decisions at times.

Yeah, he had 2 pretty good drives late in the 4th quarter against LSU. Seemed like Najee's success opened things up a bit, or maybe LSU defense got tired. But he had many more pass plays on drive after the one I mentioned, and then a TD strike for the other.

But he also gave them a TD right before the half and had trouble getting things going for the 1st 3 quarters of the game.

And again, just really bad decisions at times. 2nd and 26 is one of the greatest plays I've ever seen, but throwing an interception from your own 29 with less than 15 seconds left before halftime is also probably one of the dumbest mistakes and a QB of his caliber shouldn't be doing that. Take a sack, throw the ball away, or do damn near anything else. But the 7 points it resulted in for LSU gets blamed on the defense.

All AJ did was win 2 national championships back to back. Should have been 3 in a row, but well ya know.

Sometimes throwing the ball away makes for a better QB, because it's the correct thing to do. You could almost always count on AJ to be smart with the football and make the correct decisions.

Tua is extremely more talented, but it doesn't really matter if it goes without basic fundamentals. Everyone wants to harp on Golding because the defense didn't improve over the year(even as it did), personally I want to know why nobody at Alabama could teach Tua how to throw the football away the entire 3 years he was there. Apparently, the difficulty in doing that is much much higher than I ever imagined, and I guess AJ just made it look easy.

Not much I can really say to anyone who wants to compare the 2011 and 2012 LSU defenses to their defense this past year.




Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22800 posts
Posted on 2/1/20 at 6:28 pm to
quote:


You know what was great about the three championship winning quarterbacks prior to Tua and what's also great about Mac Jones?

They all know when to throw away a frickin' football.


first pageprev pagePage 2 of 5Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow SECRant for SEC Football News
Follow us on Twitter and Facebook to get the latest updates on SEC Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitter