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Posted on 4/7/23 at 9:50 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Posted on 4/7/23 at 9:50 pm to BamaBravesPackers
You usually gotta start out being a HC at a pretty low level program before you can be a HC at a major program unless youre a former player there.
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Posted on 4/7/23 at 9:51 pm to CrimsonFever
Since we basically have no coaches, Is Oats having to handle all the recruiting, etc. by himself?
This post was edited on 4/7/23 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 4/7/23 at 9:55 pm to RMD
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Well things officially suck right now. Son of a bitch
It's definitely not the best situation. We've got some serious challenges ahead for next season. Just gotta trust that Oats can work things out. I'm not sure how Oats would feel about trying to hire someone from Hurley's staff but I wouldn't be opposed to it right now. Might provide some stability and excitement. Not sure Murray would be willing to leave, but he would be a good one to try to pull from Hurley's staff.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 10:19 pm to DT55Forever1
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I'm not sure how Oats would feel about trying to hire someone from Hurley's staff but I wouldn't be opposed to it right now. Might provide some stability and excitement. Not sure Murray would be willing to leave, but he would be a good one to try to pull from Hurley's staff.
Great Idea. Let’s hire away Kentucky and Duke’s best assistants while we’re at it. Idk why we havent thought to do this already.
This post was edited on 4/7/23 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 4/7/23 at 10:24 pm to BamaBravesPackers
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Edit: Buffalo has hired an assistant coach literally the last 4 times they’ve hired a coach including their current coach who was a Villanova assistant for 6 years (stopped looking after Hurley, who was a RI assistant).
Please stop lumping in Buffalo as any sort of top mid major program. They’ve made the tournament 4 times. They caught lightning in a bottle with Hurley and Oats. As for the past 4 coaches, from Hurley to Oats and Oats to Whitesell were internal hires once again proving my point
Hodgson has also tried to land that job twice and didn’t get it either time so it wasn’t like he didn’t want it.
Cherry picking Wichita would be a great place to start though to show that the top jobs want you to have prior HC experience. Turgeon in 2000 was a prior HC, Marshall was a prior HC, Brown was an internal staff promotion after the scandal, and now Mills was a prior HC.
I’m done arguing this though because it’ll just be a never ending circle.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 10:25 pm to East Coast Band
No. Secondary staff will fill the on and off campus recruiting roles until permanent guys are hired. I’m sure Bauman, Pino, and maybe Josh Pierre are all assisting with it currently.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 10:29 pm to BamaBravesPackers
Rylan Griffen’s mom sure is liking a ton of Bama related stuff on twitter the last couple of days for him to not be coming back next year. I think he will be back.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 10:31 pm to BamaBravesPackers
I feel like you're trying to relate this to football hires, when the two types of hires are very different.
You pretty much never have a CBB coach hired at a high-major university without being a head coach at a mid-major at some point. There are only an extreme few exceptions and they almost all include blue bloods only hiring within their own circle or hiring guys that have NBA coaching experience.
The reason for this is that there are far more mid-major job opportunities where they can compete at a more similar level to the bigger schools and prove themselves. With football the amount of opportunities are cut into a third and the actual gameday coaching responsibilities are more significant for coordinators in football than they are for assistant coaches in basketball. Hence why it's far more feasible for a football coordinator (more responsibility, less opportunities to prove themselves as a HC) to be hired as a head coach at a high-major program than an assistant basketball coach (less responsibility, more HC opportunities).
Saying this to say that assistant coaches do not get hired at high-major programs without significant prior association to the university. And even in those cases they are almost always done in a succession type role and Oats is nowhere close to calling it quits. This is nothing but a good look for us even if it hurts right now.
You pretty much never have a CBB coach hired at a high-major university without being a head coach at a mid-major at some point. There are only an extreme few exceptions and they almost all include blue bloods only hiring within their own circle or hiring guys that have NBA coaching experience.
The reason for this is that there are far more mid-major job opportunities where they can compete at a more similar level to the bigger schools and prove themselves. With football the amount of opportunities are cut into a third and the actual gameday coaching responsibilities are more significant for coordinators in football than they are for assistant coaches in basketball. Hence why it's far more feasible for a football coordinator (more responsibility, less opportunities to prove themselves as a HC) to be hired as a head coach at a high-major program than an assistant basketball coach (less responsibility, more HC opportunities).
Saying this to say that assistant coaches do not get hired at high-major programs without significant prior association to the university. And even in those cases they are almost always done in a succession type role and Oats is nowhere close to calling it quits. This is nothing but a good look for us even if it hurts right now.
This post was edited on 4/7/23 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 4/7/23 at 10:32 pm to CrimsonFever
Really man. What's your problem.
You think so little of your program that you don't want Oats to even ask a 3rd assistant at UCONN to come. You offer the guy to come be your second and see what he says. Oats has a background with Hurley and his coaches already. He's not going to get that at UCONN with the other assistants that are already there.
We already know that Oats is pursuing NBA assistants. So, we can pull NBA assistants but not one from UCONN?
You think so little of your program that you don't want Oats to even ask a 3rd assistant at UCONN to come. You offer the guy to come be your second and see what he says. Oats has a background with Hurley and his coaches already. He's not going to get that at UCONN with the other assistants that are already there.
We already know that Oats is pursuing NBA assistants. So, we can pull NBA assistants but not one from UCONN?
This post was edited on 4/7/23 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 4/7/23 at 10:43 pm to DT55Forever1
I was agreeing with you
Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:22 pm to CrimsonFever
Both Watts and Mac1 on BOL have said they feel real good about coming back. He may have been unhappy with his role this last year but he surely is smart enough to see how major of a role he will have this year.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:25 pm to mistaken4193
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Both Watts and Mac1 on BOL have said they feel real good about coming back. He may have been unhappy with his role this last year but he surely is smart enough to see how major of a role he will have this year.
Any update on the coaching search for them?
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:22 am to mistaken4193
Bradley and Burnett transferring makes sense if Quinerly and Griffen come back, which I expect to happen. Bradley and Burnett would likely have been their backups.
Burnett would have been playing behind Griffen and Walton most likely.
Burnett would have been playing behind Griffen and Walton most likely.
This post was edited on 4/8/23 at 12:26 am
Posted on 4/8/23 at 12:29 am to CrimsonFever
Sucks that Rojas, Bruner, Burnett, and Welch had to deal with injuries most of the time they were at Alabama, I think they would have all been really good players for us otherwise.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:09 am to Allthatfades
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Yeah it seems like Pettway could have had this kind of job for a few years now.
Most of the years, he was an assistant in a mediocre team. Winning created interest. And while we're disappointed with the tournament. We were the #1 overall seed. ADs want to keep that kush job. So they're going to go after guys that have won. They hope to get some of that magic. Same reason we lose assistants in football.
Posted on 4/8/23 at 1:11 am to My2Bits
quote:Kansas State
Which team can survive and thrive with this kind of attrition??
Posted on 4/8/23 at 5:23 am to CCTider
No idea what the assistants were making here but saw where Hodgson will make 350k or so at ASU. Can’t blame them for taking their own gig
Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:27 am to Bear88
They all will be getting headcoaching experience for bigger moves later.
Pettway next HC after Oats
Pettway next HC after Oats
Posted on 4/8/23 at 6:55 am to Mikewbama
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Pettway next HC after Oats
pass
Posted on 4/8/23 at 8:06 am to CrimsonFever
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Burnett would have been playing behind Griffen and Walton most likely.
And now he will be playing behind Caleb Love at Michigan.
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