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Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:36 am to RollTide4Ever
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:36 am to RollTide4Ever
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Texas: You rang?
North Carolina =/= Texas
I'll admit I'll be uneasy until UNC names a new coach but they're going to have to strike out on 2 or 3 really big names before Oates becomes a realistic option. That's assuming they don't go with the next most likely option of keeping it in the family with a Wes Miller or Hubert Davis hire.
I'll be a lot more worried whenever the Michigan State job comes open.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 9:38 am
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:39 am to Bryant91092
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I think a school would be stupid to pay Alabama $12 million to hire Oats after one really solid season at the high major level. I just can’t see any school justifying doing that.
The current betting leaders are Hubert Davis, Wes Miller, and then Stackhouse. You can't get any less established than that. Maybe they keep with the inbred coaching tree, but if I'm an AD and those are some of the options on my list for a cutthroat basketball program, Oats has to seem somewhat attractive despite the 12 million dollar buyout. UNC is one of the schools that can afford it and would pay it if that is their guy.
Nate is a young coach they could have for years to come, has killed it at 2 programs, turned a perennial mediocre basketball team to tops in the SEC and the top 2-seed in 2 years, plays an up-tempo style that UNC has grown accustomed to, and the recruiting with the UNC prestige would be ridiculous. The buyout is the only question mark, which is why Byrne needs a massive raise himself for giving us the best chance to keep him. BUT I don't think a program like UNC is going to hesitate much with it if that's the guy they want.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 9:42 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:49 am to BigBird09
Unless something has changed in the 24 hours, Oates hasn't been mentioned among the top 7 or 8 candidates to replace Roy Williams. I do wish we'd go ahead and bump him up to 4 million a year to make him the 3rd highest paid coach in the SEC.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:54 am to Govt Tide
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Unless something has changed in the 24 hours, Oates hasn't been mentioned among the top 7 or 8 candidates to replace Roy Williams. I do wish we'd go ahead and bump him up to 4 million a year to make him the 3rd highest paid coach in the SEC.
As of yesterday, he's 6th according to one of the betting odds I've seen with only the three inbred candidates, Tony Bennett, and Jay Wright ahead of him.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:57 am to BigBird09
I'd be more concerned about when the Wisconsin job opens up. Their coach has been there since 2015 and has done ok but if they could land Oats, they would.
Oats and his wife met at Maranatha College in Wisconsin. Oats played and had his first coaching job there too.
Oats and his wife met at Maranatha College in Wisconsin. Oats played and had his first coaching job there too.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:05 am to DT55Forever1
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I'd be more concerned about when the Wisconsin job opens up. Their coach has been there since 2015 and has done ok but if they could land Oats, they would.
Oats and his wife met at Maranatha College in Wisconsin. Oats played and had his first coaching job there too.
No offense to Wisconsin, but I'm much more concerned about UNC. Wisconsin is not paying that buyout, and is nowhere near the upgrade that UNC is. I'd argue that it's easier to recruit at Alabama than it is at Wisconsin.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:05 am to BigBird09
I understand all that but if I’m a school that’s willing to pay a buyout as big as $12 million, I’m throwing every asset I have at coaches like Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, Scott Drew, etc that have proved it for an extremely long time.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:05 am to Govt Tide
I just don't see a program like UNC hiring a guy with no UNC connections and 1 successful season at a P-6 program under his belt. It would be incredibly out of character for them. Honestly the kind of programs that would be capable of hiring Oats away from us probably aren't going to be willing to unless and until he recreates this season, or improves upon it, 2-3 more times over the next 5 years. I get that we're all excited about the direction the program is headed in, but the number of coaches who had one good run and then fizzled out is endless. Oats won't even start to become a legitimate candidate to be poached from us unless the next few seasons involve annually competing for conference championships, earning high NCAA seeds, and playing on the second weekend of the tournament again at least once.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:06 am to DT55Forever1
Seems like some folks don't really follow college sports. Wisconsin has not and will never ever spend big money like that. If Gard is ousted (laughable), another person in that coaching tree will take over. A great deal of high schools in that state run the same offense that Wisconsin runs, which is smart b/c while they will lose the occasional five start, they will have their choice of kids that they know can play in their offense. Same deal with football. This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 10:06 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:08 am to BigBird09
"No offense to Wisconsin, but I'm much more concerned about UNC. Wisconsin is not paying that buyout, and is nowhere near the upgrade that UNC is. I'd argue that it's easier to recruit at Alabama than it is at Wisconsin."
I was figuring 2-3 years from now. Wouldn't expect it to happen right away. Buyout would be much less.
I do agree on recruiting to Bama being easier though. Was just figuring in the home state situation.
I was figuring 2-3 years from now. Wouldn't expect it to happen right away. Buyout would be much less.
I do agree on recruiting to Bama being easier though. Was just figuring in the home state situation.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 10:12 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:11 am to DT55Forever1
If his buyout is a lot less 3 years from now then we aren't going to sweat Wisconsin hiring him away from us because in that scenario he has been unable to get us back to the tournament at all. If we finish top 3 in the conference and advance in the tournament again next season and/or the season after that Oats will get another extension, raise, and increased buyout.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:13 am to RollTide4Ever
I think we love Oats because of what he did he here to change the culture and the year we had and we feel pretty good about the future. However, to those outside this league, they see a coach who won a league they don't think is any good, didn't beat anybody outside of it and has only had 1 good season outside the mid-major level. The only thing that makes it a little scary is how advanced his system and scheme are and how fun it is, because that is very much in demand right now and he's looked at as one of the guys on the leading edge of doing it well.
I just don't think he's in a spot right now to go anywhere. Too expensive for the Wisconsin's of the world, not enough of a track record for the North Carolina's of the world.
As I said before - if this was 2-3 years from now and he'd gone to multiple sweet 16s and maybe an elite 8 and won 25+ games a year? Yea, I'd be sweating my balls off with a UNC/Kentucky/Michigan State on the market.
I just don't think he's in a spot right now to go anywhere. Too expensive for the Wisconsin's of the world, not enough of a track record for the North Carolina's of the world.
As I said before - if this was 2-3 years from now and he'd gone to multiple sweet 16s and maybe an elite 8 and won 25+ games a year? Yea, I'd be sweating my balls off with a UNC/Kentucky/Michigan State on the market.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
Then Byrne will have a plan, he always has a plan.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:16 am to RollTide4Ever
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Then Byrne will have a plan, he always has a plan.
Yea as we discussed earlier - if Oats ends up leaving in 3 years for the Spurs job or Michigan State and we've done everything possible to keep him and he just wants to do it? I mean, tip your cap and go get the next guy. With Byrne around I'm pretty comfortable that we won't let him leave because we screwed around and didn't do something on our end that could prevent it. And I'm not worrying about the other stuff.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
When/if the time comes, Byrne will have a list.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:26 am to Bryant91092
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I understand all that but if I’m a school that’s willing to pay a buyout as big as $12 million, I’m throwing every asset I have at coaches like Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, Scott Drew, etc that have proved it for an extremely long time.
I understand that some of those guys would have to say no, but I believe Oats to be in that next tier of candidates. Plus, I'm not sure what Wright's buyout is, but if what I'm looking at is correct then Bennett's is 22 million dollars and he's the high-profile guy that I believe would be most interested in the job. Still don't think that stops them but still worth mentioning.
I think the first call should go to Mark Few. He seems content, but he's ridiculously underpaid and may have just been waiting for that kind of opening.
Then there's Bennett and Wright. After that I'd expect Nate Oats to be in the next tier of candidates due to a combination of fit, age, and recent success.
If they pick Hubert Davis, Wes Miller, or Jerry Stackhouse, they need to just cut the AD position and put that money to better use.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The only thing that makes it a little scary is how advanced his system and scheme are and how fun it is, because that is very much in demand right now and he's looked at as one of the guys on the leading edge of doing it well.
Which is exactly what I'm worried about. The temptation of bringing that kind of system to a blue blood has to be tantalizing considering the recruiting would be unreal with it at a program like that.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
I think you are probably right. There were several SEC teams that played well below their normal level. KY, FL, and even the Aubs of late. I think things will be more difficult for us going forward, but hopefully good recruiting will raise our talent level a little too. We only had one person on the team that could handle the ball.
I agree, the some of these schools probably are a little skeptical of the Oats' philosophy on offense.
I agree, the some of these schools probably are a little skeptical of the Oats' philosophy on offense.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:49 am to IB4bama
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I think you are probably right. There were several SEC teams that played well below their normal level. KY, FL, and even the Aubs of late. I think things will be more difficult for us going forward, but hopefully good recruiting will raise our talent level a little too. We only had one person on the team that could handle the ball.
I want to be clear I'm not arguing that the SEC sucks - I think it was a solid league this year without a great team at the top, but the outside perception to many is that the SEC sucks in basketball and nobody cares (wrongly).
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:49 am to BigBird09
They can try to hire him, but he will not be going anywhere anytime soon mark my words and NO he doesn't need a raise because he already got one! Let his work continue speaking for itself....keep improving then give him more and more!
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