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Posted on 10/19/24 at 2:36 pm to CCTider
We've got 13 scholarship players. I think we are allowed 15 scholarships next season. But it honestly tough to find 13 guys worth having in the rotation. Not many guys are willing to only roll out with the walk ons. Someone like Naaz won't do it for more than just a freshmen year. I'm amazed Oats convinced him to be a 12/13 spot at all.
We're stupidly deep. Normally losing someone like Youngblood would have a major step down with his replacement. Not a guy capable of taking his job.
We're stupidly deep. Normally losing someone like Youngblood would have a major step down with his replacement. Not a guy capable of taking his job.
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 10/19/24 at 7:33 pm to CCTider
Someone please bring me basketball season 
Posted on 10/19/24 at 8:13 pm to AbSnopes
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Complete nonsense. Jarin is already a projected draft pick. Were you there last night?
Who the hell is predicting Stevenson's draft pick?
He's still not ready.
If Stevenson is going to try for the draft next year, he won't be drafted. He needs to spend more time in college.
He still can't play defense. And what can he do on offense? He can't screen. He doesn't shoot efficiently. He can't handle the ball. He's not a good passer. He doesn't have any post-up skills.
Mo D is a better defender than Stevenson. And everything Stevenson can't do on offense, Mo D can do.
In yesterday's game, Bama didn't play well with Stevenson on the floor. But they played better without Stevenson on the floor.
This post was edited on 10/19/24 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 10/19/24 at 8:28 pm to bamagoat
Not only Mo D, but also Reid and Sherrell can easily replace Stevenson's position.
Mo D, Reid, and Sherrell have athletic ability and defensive skills that Stevenson lacks.
Mo D, Reid, and Sherrell have athletic ability and defensive skills that Stevenson lacks.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 8:30 pm to bamagoat
I mean he's a reclassified big. That's a difficult enough transition to make without skipping a year of natural growth and development. Maybe he just ends up being a more hyped Alex Reese (who got a fricking NBA contract BTW, so good for Reese), but I think it's way too early to say. He's basically Clowney minus the elite defense to me though. You see flashes of the potential to be a really dangerous complementary scorer, but it's far from guaranteed that they'll start to come more frequently.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 9:43 pm to Robot Santa
The Jarin Stevenson hate is weird. The dude turned 19 this week and was a re-class guy, sometimes there is more of an adjustment period. Also, some people putting so much stock in an exhibition game is hilarious. Mo D plays with a lot of energy and is scrappy because he has to, he has no offensive skillset. Stevenson is a future NBA player, he's a stretch 4 and is an offensive weapon, if he has a good season he's a 1st round pick.
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:05 pm to GoodTalkRuss
It's all according to how quickly he heals!!
Posted on 10/19/24 at 10:33 pm to Syd
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So that’s 15 guys, are there still walk ons?
At practice Wednesday, Panone had one team, say red team, running offense drills against at least 5-6 walk ons. On the other end, Adams had the other team running defensive drills - even had them in zone some. Same number of walk ons. So a bunch of walk ons.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:59 am to CCTider
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We've got 13 scholarship players. I think we are allowed 15 scholarships next season. But it honestly tough to find 13 guys worth having in the rotation.
This is the tricky part with the nil/transfer portal. You need depth but at the same time, the rotation is probably 8-10 guys. Basketball at best is 1 year to 2 year rosters.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:06 am to pioneerbasketball
Can someone explain the +/- stat to me.
Player A
+20
26 points, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, 1 Turnover
Player B
+27
6 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 turnovers
Player A
+20
26 points, 6 rebounds, 9 assists, 1 Turnover
Player B
+27
6 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists, 0 turnovers
Posted on 10/20/24 at 8:22 am to pioneerbasketball
+/- is just the net points scored while that player was on the floor. So if a guy plays for 20 minutes and during those 20 minutes his team scores 38 points while giving up 27 his +/- would be +11 regardless of whatever else he does.
It's kind of like a baseball stat though. Pretty useless in a small sample, but if a guy is consistently in the + category over multiple seasons it's safe to say he plays winning basketball.
It's kind of like a baseball stat though. Pretty useless in a small sample, but if a guy is consistently in the + category over multiple seasons it's safe to say he plays winning basketball.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 8:24 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 9:11 am to Chadaristic
Not sure why, but I’m suddenly super excited to see an efficient offense with a clear identity
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:05 am to TheNameIsDalton
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Mo D plays with a lot of energy and is scrappy because he has to, he has no offensive skillset
Oddly, that's all I want to see out of Jarin, is the attributes you just gave Mo. It's not as if Mo D is 12 years older than Jarin, they both are sophomores with the same number of college games under their belt and they are both 19 years old. I think saying that all Mo has offensively is energy and scrappiness is not true.. He attacks the rim from the perimeter and puts a lot of pressure on opponents and he draws fouls on drives.. He has a nose for positioning himself very well in traffic and he has proven he can finish in traffic or draw contact. He has a far more respectable handle than he is given any credit for and he is a very solid offensive rebounder when given minutes. He is instinctive at both ends of the floor and makes plays offensively and defensively.
Im not saying Stevenson doesn't play hard. I think the effort is there. I think he is a little heavy footed and coltish. Personally, I could not care less about what Stevenson brings offensively at this point. I just want to see him trust his size. Get in there, mix it up and fight for rebounds. Play good help defense when needed. He will have big offensive nights here and there because as of now he is a streaky shooter. The highlight of the exhibition for me was when he made a rim cut from the top of the key, caught the pass on the move and forced a foul.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 10:30 am to GoodTalkRuss
We are 2 weeks away from the regular season 
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:12 am to bamagoat
[quote]In yesterday's game, Bama didn't play well with Stevenson on the floor. But they played better without Stevenson on the floor.[/quote
So, you're saying we played better with a 22-23 year old true center playing the 5, than a skinny 18 year old 4/big wing at the 5?
That's truly brilliant commentary. You're truly wasting your brilliance on a message board. Your ready to be the next Kendrick Perkins.
So, you're saying we played better with a 22-23 year old true center playing the 5, than a skinny 18 year old 4/big wing at the 5?
That's truly brilliant commentary. You're truly wasting your brilliance on a message board. Your ready to be the next Kendrick Perkins.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:18 am to pioneerbasketball
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This is the tricky part with the nil/transfer portal. You need depth but at the same time, the rotation is probably 8-10 guys.
Yep. That's why I said it. It's hard as hell to even get 10 proper rotation guys capable of high major minutes. Getting 13 is like finding a unicorn. And but now we're gonna have 15 scholarships. Glad more guys will get free tuition. But you'll probably see guys who are d2 quality getting scholarships at high major schools.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:21 am to Robot Santa
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It's kind of like a baseball stat though. Pretty useless in a small sample, but if a guy is consistently in the + category over multiple seasons it's safe to say he plays winning basketball.
Great explanation. Long term, it probably give a good measure of the intangibles. I bet a great example would've been Ben Wallace. I bet his +/- would've been insane for his few points he'd score.
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:42 am to CCTider
I'm interested to see what we end up getting out of Holloway. He is definitely not afraid to throw up any shot. I think they'll be games he wins for us, and others where we'll be dog cussing his name. He kinda looks like he's almost too fearless.
Only thing I'm worried about with him is forcing up unbalanced shots. I don't wanna call him a ball hog, especially after he has 6 assists. But seeing a stretch where he took like 5 shots in a row, made me a little nervous. I'm not afraid to see any open look taken. But my biggest fear in this kind of fast paced offense, is to have someone forcing shots just to play fast. Pull up 3s in transition just kinda scare me. It's gotta be absurdly open. Because it seems like you can either find a better look, or take that shot when you're in half court offense.
If Oats gets him to play smart, he can be a star. You can see why he was 5 star coming out of HS. There's gonna be a lot of love/hate moments. But I think he'll be very good once he learns his role in our offense. There's too much talent that are hungry for minutes.
Having Philon being better then expected will help ease the pressure as a backup PG. Him being so good early is just unfair to opponents. I'm curious to see if he's legitimately improved his 3 shooting that much (which I think I read somewhere he was much better as a senior at Link). I can't believe we show played him.
I really liked how comfortable he looked taking it to the rim. A good Ying/Yang stylistically with Holloway. Wake definitely isn't a physical team. But they're high major, and he's a freshman, so it was still impressive as hell.
Only thing I'm worried about with him is forcing up unbalanced shots. I don't wanna call him a ball hog, especially after he has 6 assists. But seeing a stretch where he took like 5 shots in a row, made me a little nervous. I'm not afraid to see any open look taken. But my biggest fear in this kind of fast paced offense, is to have someone forcing shots just to play fast. Pull up 3s in transition just kinda scare me. It's gotta be absurdly open. Because it seems like you can either find a better look, or take that shot when you're in half court offense.
If Oats gets him to play smart, he can be a star. You can see why he was 5 star coming out of HS. There's gonna be a lot of love/hate moments. But I think he'll be very good once he learns his role in our offense. There's too much talent that are hungry for minutes.
Having Philon being better then expected will help ease the pressure as a backup PG. Him being so good early is just unfair to opponents. I'm curious to see if he's legitimately improved his 3 shooting that much (which I think I read somewhere he was much better as a senior at Link). I can't believe we show played him.
I really liked how comfortable he looked taking it to the rim. A good Ying/Yang stylistically with Holloway. Wake definitely isn't a physical team. But they're high major, and he's a freshman, so it was still impressive as hell.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 11:53 am
Posted on 10/20/24 at 12:40 pm to CCTider
I suspect we slow played Philon because he didn't show any improvement as a shooter until pretty late in his prep career. Without an outside shot he's basically just Jaden Bradley, and that was a pretty bad fit. With an outside shot he gives me some Jrue Holiday vibes.
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