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Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:47 am to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:47 am to
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Some of our defensive numbers....woof



3 signs that all point to a team that gets beat off the dribble

(1) Never force turnovers (chasing/helping to get in front of a guy instead of in front and forcing errors)
(2) Very high free throw rate to field goal attempts (foul while chasing, not in position)
(3) Very high opponent offensive rebound rate (chasing, helping, never in position to box out)

Not good, not good
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
21895 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:50 am to
Would have liked to have seen a Final Four+ team sneak on that list

Elite 8: 2
Sweet 16: 5
Second Round: 3

Always a chance to make a run, though. It is a really good basketball team when they put it all together. It will be a fun season. The West is talented as hell.
Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:51 am to
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
3154 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:55 am to
quote:

3 signs that all point to a team that gets beat off the dribble

(1) Never force turnovers (chasing/helping to get in front of a guy instead of in front and forcing errors)
(2) Very high free throw rate to field goal attempts (foul while chasing, not in position)
(3) Very high opponent offensive rebound rate (chasing, helping, never in position to box out)

Not good, not good


Not to be that guy, but like I said.

quote:

This is our biggest defensive issue. Our guards are over running and too tight on the ball handler. Our guards are actually forcing the drive and shouldn't.
It looks like we are trying to speed up the game from the defensive end but it's causing our break downs. Our speed needs to come from the defensive rebound, transition and quick ball movement.


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Based on who's getting time on the court right now, we don't.
We have to be a lot smarter how we handle on ball defense. If we don't overplay the on ball defense, it might extend the defensive possession a few seconds but it will help with the blow bys and rebounding.
Oats has to adjust to the strengths and weaknesses of his guys and not force something that won't be successful. And he's got to let some athletic guys get a few minutes every game. You can mix in a Holt and KAH a couple of minutes here and there.


Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:56 am to
I'm just not sure we can beat 2-3 really good teams in a row unless we figure things out defensively. And my fear is that there really isn't anything to figure out - we just don't have the dudes for it.

Burnett getting hurt was a pretty huge deal, it turns out.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30373 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:56 am to
We need a Big that can step out and Knock Down 3s. Gurley was suppose to be thy guy but he is useless...now we have nobody to pull people away from the rim.

GIVE TCHIKOU A CHANCE, DAMMIT
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:58 am to
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DT55Forever1


Yep - at some point we are going to have to re-consider what we do defensively based on our personnel. Either that or play guys you don't trust as much, like you said (KAH).

Losing Burnett was a disaster. He had a skillset we desperately needed.
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30373 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 8:59 am to
Should we Zone? But Oats doesn’t like to do that.
This post was edited on 12/20/21 at 9:00 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:02 am to
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We should Zone. But Oats doesn’t like to do that.



I wouldn't mind it being in the bag of tricks, but I don't love trying to zone all the time. And I'm not sure this roster would even be great at that, either.

As DT said, I just think we have to adjust our man to man philosophy away from pushing pressure out to the timeline team and more of a man sag team. Pushing man to man pressure is awesome if you have the 1-5 athletes to do it and smartly help. It's a recipe for disaster if you can't stay in front and are bad at help decisions. And against certain teams, it turns them from bad offensive teams to offensive teams with hope because you open up opportunities they wouldn't have had otherwise.
Posted by CaptainMorgan
Member since Oct 2007
1524 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:10 am to
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I'm just not sure we can beat 2-3 really good teams in a row unless we figure things out defensively. And my fear is that there really isn't anything to figure out - we just don't have the dudes for it.


Let’s not already forget that we have beaten two of the best teams in the country in a 4 day stretch. I don’t think that was a fluke. We haven’t looked great since then, but we won’t have a tournament draw that’s any harder than Gonzaga/Houston back to back unless it’s a deep run.

We aren’t the same team from last year defensively, but we can do enough on defense to win games against good competition.

It does suck to have Burnett though. His size/length/athleticism could have been a huge boost to our on ball defense. He, Gary, and Ellis would have been a terror on a ball handler. As it stands, we’re missing the piece he was supposed to fill.
Posted by McGregor
Member since Feb 2011
7053 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:19 am to
Opponents are now 86-27 (removing our games - Mem and Jax have lost 9 of those 27), 76.1 winning % with two non-con games to go.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
6082 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:41 am to
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Should we Zone? But Oats doesn’t like to do that.



The reason to go to a zone is to prevent layups and easy buckets. Our biggest issue isn't uncontested layups, it's second chance points which is supposed to be a bigger weakness of zones due to the difficulty of finding a man to box out.
This post was edited on 12/20/21 at 9:47 am
Posted by DT55Forever1
Member since Jan 2018
3154 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:44 am to
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Losing Burnett was a disaster. He had a skillset we desperately needed.


Yea. It was a big blow for sure.

Like you said, I'm not sure zone would be the answer. It could make it worse. We just need better in front position in our man to man. Don't body up the dribbler.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:52 am to
Top 10 Opponents (per Torvik) (2-2)
#1 Gonzaga (Bama) (W)
#2 Houston (Bama) (W)
#6 Kansas (Mizzou) (L)
#10 Duke (Kentucky) (L)

Alabama (2) (2-0)
Kentucky (1) (0-1)
Missouri (1) (0-1)
Arkansas (0)
Auburn (0)
Florida (0)
Georgia (0)
LSU (0)
Miss St (0)
Ole Miss (0)
South Carolina (0)
Tennessee (0)
Texas A&M (0)
Vanderbilt (0)



Top 25 Opponents (5-4)
#1 Gonzaga (Bama) (W)
#2 Houston (Bama) (W)
#6 Kansas (Mizzou) (L)
#10 Duke (Kentucky) (L)
#14 Villanova (VOLS) (L)
#20 Ohio State (Florida) (W)
#24 Memphis (Bama) (L)
#24 Memphis (Miss) (W)
#24 Memphis (UGA) (W)

Alabama (3) (2-1)
Florida (1) (1-0)
Georgia (1) (1-0)
Ole Miss (1) (1-0)
Kentucky (1) (0-1)
Missouri (1) (0-1)
Tennessee (1) (0-1)
Arkansas (0)
Auburn (0)
LSU (0)
Miss St (0)
South Carolina (0)
Texas A&M (0)
Vanderbilt (0)


Top 50 Opponents (13-14)
#1 Gonzaga (Bama) (W)
#2 Houston (Bama) (W)
#6 Kansas (Mizzou) (L)
#10 Duke (Kentucky) (L)
#14 Villanova (VOLS) (L)
#20 Ohio State (Florida) (W)
#24 Memphis (Bama) (L)
#24 Memphis (Miss) (W)
#24 Memphis (UGA) (W)
#28 Oklahoma (Florida) (L)
#28 Oklahoma (Arky) (L)
#30 Loyola Chicago (Auburn) (W)
#30 Loyola Chicago (Vandy) (L)
#31 Texas Tech (VOLS) (L)
#32 UConn (Auburn) (L)
#38 Florida State (Florida) (W)
#38 Florida State (USC) (W)
#38 Florida State (Mizzou) (L)
#40 Colorado State (Miss St) (L)
#42 Wisconsin (A&M) (L)
#43 UCF (Auburn) (W)
#44 Belmont (LSU) (W)
#45 North Carolina (VOLS) (W)
#45 North Carolina (Kentucky) (W)
#48 Wake Forest (LSU) (W)
#49 Northwestern (UGA) (L)
#50 Louisville (Miss St) (L)

Alabama (3) (2-1)
Auburn (3) (2-1)
Florida (3) (2-1)
Tennessee (3) (1-2)
LSU (2) (2-0)
Georgia (2) (1-1)
Kentucky (2) (1-1)
Missouri (2) (0-2)
Mississippi St (2) (0-2)
Ole Miss (1) (1-0)
South Carolina (1) (1-0)
Arkansas (1) (0-1)
Texas A&M (1) (0-1)
Vanderbilt (1) (0-1)


Top 100 Opponents (30-29)
#1 Gonzaga (Bama) (W)
#2 Houston (Bama) (W)
#6 Kansas (Mizzou) (L)
#10 Duke (Kentucky) (L)
#14 Villanova (VOLS) (L)
#20 Ohio State (Florida) (W)
#24 Memphis (Bama) (L)
#24 Memphis (Miss) (W)
#24 Memphis (UGA) (W)
#28 Oklahoma (Florida) (L)
#28 Oklahoma (Arky) (L)
#30 Loyola Chicago (Auburn) (W)
#30 Loyola Chicago (Vandy) (L)
#31 Texas Tech (VOLS) (L)
#32 UConn (Auburn) (L)
#38 Florida State (Florida) (W)
#38 Florida State (USC) (W)
#38 Florida State (Mizzou) (L)
#40 Colorado State (Miss St) (L)
#42 Wisconsin (A&M) (L)
#43 UCF (Auburn) (W)
#44 Belmont (LSU) (W)
#45 North Carolina (VOLS) (W)
#45 North Carolina (Kentucky) (W)
#48 Wake Forest (LSU) (W)
#49 Northwestern (UGA) (L)
#50 Louisville (Miss St) (L)
#53 Minnesota (Miss St) (L)
#54 Clemson (USC) (L)
#55 Cincinnati (Arky) (W)
#55 Cincinnati (UGA) (L)
#57 UAB (USC) (W)
#59 Boise State (Miss) (L)
#62 Saint Louis (Auburn) (W)
#63 Ohio (LSU) (W)
#63 Ohio (Kentucky) (W)
#67 VCU (Vandy) (L)
#69 Maryland (Florida) (L)
#73 Syracuse (Auburn) (W)
#74 SMU (Mizzou) (W)
#74 SMU (Vandy) (L)
#75 Notre Dame (Kentucky) (L)
#75 Notre Dame (A&M) (W)
#76 South Dakota St (Bama) (W)
#77 Iona (Bama) (L)
#78 TCU (A&M) (L)
#80 Virginia (UGA) (L)
#81 Wichita St (Mizzou) (L)
#82 Richmond (Miss St) (W)
#83 Louisiana Tech (LSU) (W)
#83 Louisiana Tech (Bama) (W)
#85 Utah (Mizzou) (W)
#89 Hofstra (Arky) (L)
#90 Kansas State (Arky) (W)
#92 Drake (Bama) (W)
#94 Miami (Bama) (W)
#98 Penn State (LSU) (W)
#99 George Mason (UGA) (L)
#100 Marquette (Miss) (L)

Alabama (8) (6-2)
LSU (5) (5-0)
Auburn (5) (4-1)
Missouri (5) (2-3)
Georgia (5) (1-4)
Arkansas (4) (2-2)
Florida (4) (2-2)
Kentucky (4) (2-2)
Mississippi State (4) (1-3)
South Carolina (3) (2-1)
Ole Miss (3) (1-2)
Tennessee (3) (1-2)
Texas A&M (3) (1-2)
Vanderbilt (3) (0-3)

Total Sub-250 Opponents
Kentucky (6)
Florida (5)
Ole Miss (5)
Texas A&M (4)
Missouri (3)
Tennessee (3)
Vanderbilt (3)
Arkansas (2)
Auburn (2)
LSU (2)
Mississippi St (2)
South Carolina (2)
Georgia (1)
Alabama (0)
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 9:54 am to
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Let’s not already forget that we have beaten two of the best teams in the country in a 4 day stretch. I don’t think that was a fluke. We haven’t looked great since then, but we won’t have a tournament draw that’s any harder than Gonzaga/Houston back to back unless it’s a deep run.



An excellent point, for sure
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:00 am to
I'm looking forward to tomorrow - I think this is the perfect opponent to get our groove back. Good enough to be taken very seriously, coming off of 2 really ugly performances, a good matchup for what we do well and what we struggle with.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:02 am to
Was the game tomorrow originally supposed to be on one of the ESPN networks and got bumped when CSU dropped out? Or was it always going to be a SECN+ game?
Posted by mistaken4193
Member since Jan 2017
30373 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:03 am to
Was always SECN+...but if it would have stayed us vs CSU I bet they would have moved it to TV
Posted by Alabama_Fan
The Road Less Traveled
Member since Sep 2020
16360 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:32 am to
Can’t remember who asked about single game tix but this email came today:

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Posted by Chadaristic
Member since Jan 2011
41017 posts
Posted on 12/20/21 at 10:34 am to
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Rick Barnes on the Memphis game being rescheduled: We were there to play the game. But SEC play is way too important to us.... We're not going to risk playing somebody as unvaccinated as they are. Memphis or anybody.


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