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The bottom line on Jalen Hurts
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:40 pm
Jalen has done a great job as Alabama's QB to this point. He's 22-2 as a starter. But he's come about as far he can. We are winning games in spite of Jalen Hurts, not because of Jalen Hurts. You saw it in the playoffs last year, and the last couple of games we've played this year against any team with a pulse on defense: make Jalen beat you with his arm and his head and he can't do it. Take away his legs and he fails. He's had 24 games to grow into the job and yes, he has shown some improvement, but that improvement has been incremental at best, microscopic at worst. It's time to make a change. And all of you that bitch and moan about Tua and the mistakes he has made, you are damn right he has. But he's done it in very limited action and hasn't had a chance to learn the job yet. At least he's throwing the ball down the field. For example, the pick he threw against UT that was almost a pick six. You know what? I'll take that all day long over holding on to the damn ball and looking for a running lane like a deer in the headlights instead of looking for an open man. Jalen can't do it. He's a more mobile Jake Coker. He locks onto Ridley and waits for Calvin to shake his man. If he can't, oh shite! time to bail.
Tua is going to make mistakes and throw interceptions. But that's ok. How else does he learn what he can and can't do at this level? The point is, he throws the ball. He throws it well. And he throws it before he runs. And he continues to look to throw when he runs. I don't want Bama's QB being the leading rusher on the team or anywhere near it. This ain't the wishbone era. I want him to be able to throw the ball downfield for completions, yards and TD's. I like Jalen, I really do. But I can't close my eyes to the fact that he's not an elite caliber QB. He's not even average at passing. That won't do in Tuscaloosa. Maybe it works in Lexington or Columbia or Nashville, but not in Title Town. We don't need a liability at QB, we need an asset. Jalen has become a liability. It's time to move on. It's not about the Auburn loss. There's plenty of mistakes to go around for that. It's not on Jalen. It's about the entire body of work. And the trajectory of his development. Neither of which is good.
Tua is going to make mistakes and throw interceptions. But that's ok. How else does he learn what he can and can't do at this level? The point is, he throws the ball. He throws it well. And he throws it before he runs. And he continues to look to throw when he runs. I don't want Bama's QB being the leading rusher on the team or anywhere near it. This ain't the wishbone era. I want him to be able to throw the ball downfield for completions, yards and TD's. I like Jalen, I really do. But I can't close my eyes to the fact that he's not an elite caliber QB. He's not even average at passing. That won't do in Tuscaloosa. Maybe it works in Lexington or Columbia or Nashville, but not in Title Town. We don't need a liability at QB, we need an asset. Jalen has become a liability. It's time to move on. It's not about the Auburn loss. There's plenty of mistakes to go around for that. It's not on Jalen. It's about the entire body of work. And the trajectory of his development. Neither of which is good.
This post was edited on 11/25/17 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:42 pm to phil4bama
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make mistakes and throw interceptions. But that's ok
No, that's not OK. Tua may be the answer, but throwing INTs is never OK.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:45 pm to phil4bama
Tua isn't ready, it's fine. He can compete in the spring.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:45 pm to East Coast Band
Neither is running for 3 yards in the two minute drill instead of throwing the ball either downfield or throwing it away. Jalen did it multiple times.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:46 pm to phil4bama
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Jalen can't do it. He's a more mobile Jake Coker.
Did Hurts throw for over 300 yards in the most important game?
I’d take Coker at the end of 2015 everyday and twice on Sundays.
This post was edited on 11/25/17 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:48 pm to chattabama
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I’d take Coker at the end of 2015 everyday and twice on Sundays.
I wished we had Coker another year. We don't lose to Clemson with Coker.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:48 pm to chattabama
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Did Hurts throw for over 300 yards in the most important game?
I’d take Coker at the end of 2015 everyday and twice on Sundays.
You are correct. So would I. Jalen is Coker, Sept. version.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:49 pm to phil4bama
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He's a more mobile Jake Coker.
Don't disrespect Coker like that. Coker was a much, much better QB than Hurts. Coker never acted like he was playing with only one WR. Some of OJ Howard's and Ardarius Stewart's career highlights came from Coker.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:50 pm to 14&Counting
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I wished we had Coker another year. We don't lose to Clemson with Coker.
If we started Coker the year before, we would have beaten Ohio State.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:54 pm to chattabama
The bottom line on Hurts is that his career as a starter at The University of Alabama is over, excluding some meaningless bowl game.
The Tua era is about to commence.
The Tua era is about to commence.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 9:54 pm to chattabama
BTW, you wanna see another example of not knowing the situation? Go back and watch the last play of the game when he completed that long ball to Sims. Hurts is across the line of scrimmage when he throws that ball. They didn't flag it and it didn't matter, but he's well past the LoS when he released it.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:08 pm to River_City_Tider
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The bottom line on Hurts is that his career as a starter at The University of Alabama is over, excluding some meaningless bowl game.
I wouldn't be so sure. Saban is very loyal to his starters.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:08 pm to CrimsonCrusade
Unfortunately so in this case.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:09 pm to phil4bama
The last two drives were the first time I fully believed he was rattled. He’s played sketchy to bad before but he looked completely out of sorts with his decision making.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:11 pm to 615tider
Lol now Coker is an amazing QB.
Lol!
He was lucky a focused Kiffin was his OC in that championship game and not Sark or Daboll
Lol!
He was lucky a focused Kiffin was his OC in that championship game and not Sark or Daboll
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:21 pm to YStar
After September, Coker did not have one game where he passed for <60%.
After September, Hurts has had 3 such games.
Coker passed for 65% against Auburn, 69% against UF, 83% against Michigan State, and 64% against Clemson. If you wouldn’t take those numbers, I’m not sure what is wrong with your football IQ.
After September, Hurts has had 3 such games.
Coker passed for 65% against Auburn, 69% against UF, 83% against Michigan State, and 64% against Clemson. If you wouldn’t take those numbers, I’m not sure what is wrong with your football IQ.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:21 pm to CrimsonCrusade
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I wouldn't be so sure. Saban is very loyal to his starters.
He is loyal but I think this season was about seeing if Jalen would make a significant step forward as a QB. I don't think Jalen has done that. It doesn't escape Saban the talent that is surrounding Jalen.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:47 pm to Shaft Williams
To put it into perspective, Hurts was 14-24 for 168 yards against Auburn. Keep in mind that those figures include the illegal forward pass to Sims that went for 65 yards to close out the game when Auburn didn’t give a frick. So really it should be 13-23 for 103 yards. Barely 100 yards. That wouldn’t have been an average passing game in the wishbone era. That’s how anemic and pathetic our passing game is and it’s really the root of our offensive problems. We can’t do anything or sustain anything because we are so one dimensional, it’s only a matter of time before the defense gets us behind the chains and forces us to throw which is a proposition where the odds are stacked greatly against us.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 10:52 pm to phil4bama
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Keep in mind that those figures include the illegal forward pass to Sims that went for 65 yards to close out the game when Auburn didn’t give a frick. So really it should be 13-23 for 103 yards. Barely 100 yards
But it also includes a play where the open receiver slipped as the throw was made, one where the receiver was held as he made his cut, and a deep ball where the DB tackled the WR instead of giving up a TD.
Posted on 11/25/17 at 11:00 pm to phil4bama
I think the offense we run, and Jalens skill sets are incompatible. Option Real play action, and the bootleg game would suit Jalen.
I don't think we are taking what Jalen does well and using it. He does not like to throw in to Windows, or split the levels. There are windows open before he feels pressure, but he won't pull the trigger.
I don't think we are taking what Jalen does well and using it. He does not like to throw in to Windows, or split the levels. There are windows open before he feels pressure, but he won't pull the trigger.
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