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The Athletic - Draft Confidential (Mac, DeVonta, Waddle, Barmore, Moses, Surtain, Najee)

Posted on 4/21/21 at 7:37 am
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 7:37 am
The Athletic - NFL Draft Confidential

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Over the past month, The Athletic has spoken to two dozen NFL coaches and scouts to get a sense of who and what is catching their eyes.





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Are you on the Mac Jones bandwagon?


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QB Coach 1: I am driving the bandwagon. I noticed something last year after Tua Tagovailoa got hurt and Mac went in and they stopped running RPOs and started calling dropback stuff, I was like, ‘Oh, they trust him.’ But he’s more than just that. I think he is the best thrower of the football by a lot. Zach Wilson is freaky; but he’s not hitting people in stride on time. Mac is processing. He’s accurate. He’s layering it. He has pinpoint accuracy and throws with anticipation. Those people who say all he did was throw to guys who were wide open and threw from a clean pocket, turn on the A&M, Georgia or the Michigan and Auburn games from last year where he got the shite beat out of him. He’s getting hit and he’s getting moved.

People say he’s not athletic, but what are we talking about? Just because he looks bad without a T-shirt doesn’t mean he’s a bad athlete because he has baby fat. I love him. He was substantially better in the interviews than all of the other quarterbacks.

QB Coach 2: In my mind, if I had to win right now, this year, he’s the most advanced quarterback of any of them. I think Trevor’s the best. I’m cosigning on him, but his system adjustment will be much bigger than Mac. Jones is gonna walk in Day One and just have to flip terminology because he’s gonna know pro football. He’s been coached by Sark (Steve Sarkisian). He understands run checks, understands moving protections — not that these others don’t, but he’s on a different level.

The question is, are Mac Jones’ physical tools worthy of being a top-5 pick or even first-round? I don’t know that his physical abilities warrant that, but if you tell me that I have to win now, I think his physicals are good enough. How many guys in the history of football in 12 games against top college competition threw for 4,500 yards, throw 41 touchdowns and only four picks and completed 77 percent in a pro system? Some guys at pro days don’t do 77 percent on air.




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DeVonta Smith is 170 pounds: Do you see Marvin Harrison? How does Jaylen Waddle hold up with the top of the receiving corps?


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WR Coach No. 1: DeVonta has unbelievable hand-eye coordination and body control with elite ball skills. It’s so natural. He’s instinctual as shite. He feels it and he knows where the spots are. He’s gonna be a good player and be solid and will play every position. He studies; he loves it. I am concerned about him only being 170 pounds, though. It’s the world we live in, man. Big guys beat up little guys. He’s tough as shite. He will bite your face off. He’s gonna try. He won’t back down, but is he gonna win the battle?

Waddle is a game-changer. He’s way rawer than DeVonta. He’s absolutely explosive and elite with the ball in his hands.

WR Coach No. 4: DeVonta’s faster than you think and he’s quicker than you think and he can really catch. With smaller guys you worry about how they’ll adjust to guys getting pushed off their spot and can they make a tough grab. If they do, then it lightens your concern about their size. He’s learned a lot of concepts because they’ve taught him a lot. He’s the best route runner in the draft. Sark had those guys running pro stuff.

Waddle has similar burst to Tyreek Hill. He has that same type of explosion and movement.

WR Coach No. 3: I love Smith, but he is so skinny — if you can get past the skinny, he’s a legit No. 1 receiver. This kid … whatever he wants to do, he does. They had him jump in at cornerback and they said he knew the defense as good as anybody on the team.

I think Waddle is a faster version of Peter Warrick. He is so dynamic with the ball in his hands and is such a dangerous returner. I think he could be Devin Hester as a return guy. But he’s a better receiver than Hester. He was awesome in his interview. He really has an infectious personality.

WR Coach No. 2: Waddle is different now. He’s like Tyreek Hill in a lot of ways. He’s so fast — he’s different fast. Henry Ruggs is really fast, but he was more of a straight-line guy. I think (Waddle) could play really any spot; he can play X, Z, slot, in the backfield.”



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There has been a lot of talk about the defensive side of the ball for this draft and how it doesn’t measure up to the prospects on offense. Are those concerns warranted?


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ALABAMA DEFENSIVE TACKLE CHRISTIAN BARMORE

Scout No. 1: He’s a little stiff. He’s not another Quinnen Williams, but he can be disruptive and he has some upside. He will get over-drafted because it’s such a bad year for interior linemen.


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ALABAMA LINEBACKER DYLAN MOSES

Scout No. 1: He’s off the board for us medically. You worry that he’s pretty tapped out physically. I think he put so much pressure on himself because he was crowned so early. He got hurt (early in his career at Alabama) and he doesn’t play as fast or as physical. It’s kinda sad. He’s a good young man and he’s got some good traits.


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ALABAMA DEFENSIVE BACK PATRICK SURTAIN

Scout No. 1: I love his intangibles. He’s wired as good as any DB. He’s a good technician. He has better ball skills than Marlon Humphrey but isn’t as good in press or as good a tackler.



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Scout No. 1 on Alabama RB Najee Harris: He is a true three-down back. He has elite bend and elite hands. No running backs are great in protection, but he’s solid. He’s a smart kid but he overanalyzes things. He will train three times a day if you let him; he just needs to settle down.
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 7:46 am to
Dylan Moses probably should have taken advantage of the covid year and returned to prove himself medically. It's sad. He's really going to slide to day 3.

I think all those points are pretty spot on for the most part.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 7:49 am to
Anonymous QB Coach 1 needs to go over to tRant and get educated by the real experts who can explain to him that Mac was protected from a jailbreak blitz on every dropback by an elite OL that was also allowed to hold on every down, which allowed all of his receivers to run down the field totally undefended so they could catch his wounded duck arm punts.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 7:50 am
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 10:12 am to
It’s not just the rant. The average CFB and NFL fan feels that way. I’ve seen the same comments from all these armchair experts on Reddit, Twitter, and some random sports forums like here. Basically the only two things they have to say about why there are certain he will bust out is “he throws to open receivers and he played with great players”.
Posted by Sauron
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Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 11:12 am to
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Basically the only two things they have to say about why there are certain he will bust out is “he throws to open receivers and he played with great players”.


Which is funny, because I truly believe these two statements are far more accurate when applied to Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields than Mac.

Clemson and Ohio State are the two programs who consistently recruit on par with Alabama, yet they play in significantly weaker leagues overall. The talent disparity between Clemson and the rest of the ACC, and Ohio State and the rest of the Big 10, is substantial.

I realize no conference is going to fully prepare a player for playing in the NFL week-in and week-out. However, I truly believe the SEC is the closest approximation to that weekly grind of facing the most talented players across the board.

Lawrence and Fields may be outstanding QBs in the NFL, but it won't be because they were significantly tested in college. I know I'm biased, but I'd take Mac over any other QB ... because he's already proven himself at the highest level possible in college, in an NFL-style system, going against elite talent. I don't think Lawrence and Fields have done that.
Posted by Glorious
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:09 pm to
Not that he has many serious doubters, but the critique about Devonta's weight is gonna be one of those nitpicky concerns that make scouts look really dumb in the following years
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 12:21 pm to
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Lawrence and Fields may be outstanding QBs in the NFL, but it won't be because they were significantly tested in college. I know I'm biased, but I'd take Mac over any other QB ... because he's already proven himself at the highest level possible in college, in an NFL-style system, going against elite talent. I don't think Lawrence and Fields have done that.



Mac is far more prepared to be effective as a rookie. Our offense last season made Ohio State's look simplistic, and Ohio State's made Clemson's look simplistic. Clemson runs a less nuanced version of what we did in 2018 with Locksley. RPO spam, but instead of the QB having to make accurate throws to receivers over the middle or down the field it's just a bunch of jump balls to dudes who are 6'4" and know how to push off. Lawrence has every physical attribute you could want, but he's really lucky he's going to play for Urban in Jacksonville because I'm not sure he could easily digest an NFL playbook after playing real life Tecmo Bowl for 3 years.
Posted by Remiden
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:25 pm to
Im not sure how lucky he is. Urban's offenses at UF and OSU I don't feel are particularly suited for the NFL. It was a spread offense, but heavy on RPO and designed QB runs. Urban had been very specific with the OC that the offense has to be his offensive vision. It may take a couple years for him to figure it out. Meanwhile, sunshine will be taking a beating.
Posted by CrimsonClover
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 1:35 pm to
I think Mac Jones is going to be great in the NFL, but Trevor Lawrence is probably the best NFL QB prospect that I can remember in a long time. He's going to win OROTY

Trevor Lawrence is really similar in skillset to Josh Allen and Justin Herbert.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
5891 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 2:18 pm to
It's hilarious to see the differences between the media's takes on Mac Jones and those that actually know what they're doing.

I understand the scouts and respectable analysts who mention the average to below average athleticism as a reason they like other QBs better, but it's so hard to watch these guys talk about the talent around him as a reason to not draft him. I've actually seen people that mention Fields as the better prospect because of accuracy, ball placement, and Mac's knack for locking onto his receivers. What in the Hell are these people watching, and how are they getting paid to spout this bullshite?
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 2:19 pm
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/21/21 at 2:21 pm to
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He's going to win OROTY


That's a situational award, and if Mac is truly the pick for the 49ers and they trade or sit Jimmy G, I'd wager my life savings on you being incorrect about this.
This post was edited on 4/21/21 at 2:23 pm
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44369 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 2:28 pm to
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Im not sure how lucky he is. Urban's offenses at UF and OSU I don't feel are particularly suited for the NFL. It was a spread offense, but heavy on RPO and designed QB runs. Urban had been very specific with the OC that the offense has to be his offensive vision. It may take a couple years for him to figure it out. Meanwhile, sunshine will be taking a beating.


Oh I don't have high hopes for Urban in the NFL. I think he's Bobby Petrino 2.0 all the way. His offense is a lot closer to what Sunshine is used to than a normal NFL offense though. I think he'd really struggle with a full NFL playbook and having to suddenly make full field reads in 2-3 seconds.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44369 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 2:31 pm to
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That's a situational award, and if Mac is truly the pick for the 49ers and they trade or sit Jimmy G, I'd wager my life savings on you being incorrect about this.


Same. When it comes to calling plays in the second half of a Super Bowl Kyle Shanahan turns into a pumpkin, but he is a QB whisperer and I think Mac would thrive in his system.
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
5891 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 3:11 pm to
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Same. When it comes to calling plays in the second half of a Super Bowl Kyle Shanahan turns into a pumpkin, but he is a QB whisperer and I think Mac would thrive in his system.


Yeah, it's funny that when I received the notification that SF had traded up to 3, I was upset because I thought Mac would have been perfect there. I never would have thought he'd be the target of their move up due to mainstream media saying he's not considered to be in that Tier of QBs.
Posted by RollTide33
Member since Sep 2019
2775 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 3:19 pm to
Hard disagree on Sunshine. I'm probably one of the few that think he ends up being a bust. He has a really long delivery, Clemson’s offense cuts the field in half and limits his reads, they basically never had him throw over the middle of the field, and he can be overconfident with his arm.
Posted by CrimsonClover
Member since Oct 2020
1063 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 3:19 pm to
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I'd wager my life savings on you being incorrect about this.

How much we talkin? :
Posted by BigBird09
Member since May 2012
5891 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 3:21 pm to
Five dollars and some belly button lint...
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
5677 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 4:01 pm to
Like Manziel, Lawrence made his college career with a single win over Bama. It's such a rare occurrence that it makes careers. Now he's a better QB than Manziel, but I don't think he should be fitted for a gold jacket just yet.

Daniel Jeremiah on NFL.com is a total arse when it comes to Mac. I kinda hate to see him go to the 49ers and be saddled with the "traded 2 first round picks for him" pressure. All I see from the "journalists" is a Justin Fields lovefest. 49er fans want him...let them have him. I know it'd be a good situation for Mac, but their fans on social media have been a turn off. Of course, it's several million dollars difference between pick 3 and say 15.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
12618 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 5:27 pm to
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Basically the only two things they have to say about why there are certain he will bust out is “he throws to open receivers and he played with great players”.


The average fan nowadays seriously underestimates how hard it is and the value of just putting the ball in there consistently.

Fans will be excited AF when a guy like Kyler Murray runs around like a headless chicken and picks up only 5 yards. Then a guy throws an on time and on target comeback for 15 yards, and fans will say “Anybody could do that!”

It’s a complete 180 from the nonsense NFL stereotype from 15-20 years ago that any guy that could run couldn’t throw at all.
Posted by Che Boludo
Member since May 2009
18185 posts
Posted on 4/21/21 at 6:17 pm to
SportsNet New York: everything you need to know about Giants potential 1st Round Pick Devonta Smith

Never knew Jeudy and Smith played rock, paper, scissors to see who would get to run the most likely TD routes.
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