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re: So is it safe to say Golding is staying?

Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by Lucky_Stryke
central Bama
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:34 pm to
So again that comes back to coaching. If it's a call based off what he sees then if that player keeps getting no quality pressure on the QB but vacates a spot on the field then why keep doing it.

I think alot of the problem was that the front was doin jack shite to pressure the QB putting that much more strain on our young lbs
Posted by Lucky_Stryke
central Bama
Member since Sep 2018
3113 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:37 pm to
Exactly Bo that's what I was getting at. We made some good adjustments at times absolutely but it seemed like alot of times they were put in a bad spot to begin with
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
16162 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

So what does Golding do with the injuries sustained on that '17' NC team?


Auburn 2017
408 yards of total offense
240 passing, 168 rushing
72.4% completion rate
25 first downs
9/18 (50%) 3rd down conversions

Auburn 2019
353 yards of total offense
173 passing, 180 rushing
67% completion rate
23 first downs
5/13 (38%) 3rd down conversions

Pretty much the answer to your question is that had the 2017 injury riddled defense performed to the same level against Auburn as the 2019 injury riddled defense you're looking at an undefeated 2017 national championship team.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:43 pm to
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Pretty much the answer to your question is that had the 2017 injury riddled defense performed to the same level against Auburn as the 2019 injury riddled defense you're looking at an undefeated 2017 national championship team.


I will say, on the flip side, the 2017 Auburn offense was much, much better than the 2019 Auburn offense - especially at that point in the season.

This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 3:44 pm
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
20033 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:47 pm to
I'm 100% with you.

When you try to explain in-depth or even use actual experience, people here get mad at you anyways. Why even bother.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
13136 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:49 pm to
I will allow Nick Saban's moves to tell us the real deal (from his seat at the table).


A- The DL coaching ain't it and that guy is off the field.

B-If Pete is still on this staff one week after NSD then you will know that he's aight as far as Nick's view.

C-It 3 more weeks until Feb 12. We'll see.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
20033 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

Honest question, can you find a team that won a national title/playoff/Top 5 team/etc that started 2 true freshman at ILB?

I actually looked for parallels when Moses went down back in August and literally found none, but I could have been missing something.


That most likely hasn't been done, however we we're discussing isn't winning a championship.

We just want to field a good defense against top teams lol.

Anyways by the time your passed midseason you aren't a freshman no more anyways. These kids are suppose to show tremendous growth and development, not minimal to none.

Posted by prevatt33b
Member since Oct 2019
1147 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:57 pm to
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If it's a call based off what he sees then if that player keeps getting no quality pressure on the QB but vacates a spot on the field then why keep doing it.


The player does it so as to actually be doing something in the second half of the play, after doing what HAD TO BE DONE in the first half of the play, which was play the run and then look for a man to cover if the offense passes. Given that the defense doesn't know what routes are going to be run, a LB comes after the QB when finds that he doesn't have anyone to cover. It's a delayed blitz because the dude had to do the other stuff first, and then blitzes so at least he's doing something instead of standing there doing nothing. It's a delayed zone blitz when there's no one in a LB's Zone, and it's run out of Man when the LBs man to cover stays in the box.
Posted by Bear88
Member since Oct 2014
14912 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

f the D is not catching on.. just run gap protection.


Amen bro. Was offensive coordinator for 16 years and defensive for 6. Good, sound gap control defense works at any level
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
7992 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

Auburn 2017
408 yards of total offense
240 passing, 168 rushing
72.4% completion rate
25 first downs
9/18 (50%) 3rd down conversions

Auburn 2019
353 yards of total offense
173 passing, 180 rushing
67% completion rate
23 first downs
5/13 (38%) 3rd down conversions


just a note, though, that Stidham in 2017 was a lot better than Nix in 2019. In fact, a review indicates Stidham was an All SEC selection in 2017.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
105802 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 5:43 pm to
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just a note, though, that Stidham in 2017 was a lot better than Nix in 2019. In fact, a review indicates Stidham was an All SEC selection in 2017.



Stidham > Nix
Kerryon > Boobie
Davis/Slayton > Williams/Stove (Schwatz got hurt early)

It was just a much better overall team. They lit up a really good Georgia defense 2 weeks prior for 488 yards and 40 pts

In 2019 2 weeks prior they had 329 yards and 14 pts against a similar level Georgia defense.
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 5:44 pm
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:06 pm to
quote:

This board's gonna fling shite like zoo chimps if Pete Golding remains Alabama's defensive coordinator.

Ok I'll play along for a minute...


This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 10:15 pm
Posted by moester75
Anne Arundel County, MD
Member since Oct 2018
1544 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:47 pm to
Like another poster said earlier let’s give Golding a pass due to severe injuries but if we see the same confusion from players in 2020, we have a problem.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
20033 posts
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:48 pm to
Every year we have severe injury issues, yet this is the first year all of a sudden we should give a pass to a DC who is paid hundreds of thousands to scheme around our own shortcomings and exploit opposition weaknesses.

Amazing
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 11:49 pm
Posted by Rip N Lip
Zambodia
Member since Jul 2019
7317 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:32 am to
quote:

Kiffin was fired after the CFP semifinal


quote:


I don't know all the details


The coaching staff had to put Kiffin through the ringer on Saturday to get him ready for the game because he stayed out all night on Friday in ATL. It was basically the last straw if Saban didn't want to lose the whole staff to mutiny.

Kiffin is a turd who is all about Lane Kiffin and nothing else.
Posted by Rip N Lip
Zambodia
Member since Jul 2019
7317 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 12:37 am to
quote:

Same thing against Ole Miss in '15


We had 5 turnovers in that game. It's very difficult to win at any level when you turn it over five times in a football game.
Posted by Rip N Lip
Zambodia
Member since Jul 2019
7317 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 1:27 am to
If this thread illustrates anything it is that Alabama losses occur due to breakdowns in either two or all three phases of the game.

Very rarely is it one unit that shits the bed and fails the team. We lose when we don't play complimentary football.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
7992 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 7:28 am to
quote:

we should give a pass to a DC who is paid hundreds of thousands to scheme around our own shortcomings and exploit opposition weaknesses.


I agree with you but there is nothing we can do about it anyway.

I think some folks that are disagreeing with you and others about the D.C. aren't Golding fans as much as they think Saban knows best.
Posted by slammer66
Member since Aug 2014
292 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 7:33 am to
quote:

The 2017 defense vs Mississippi State and Auburn was basically a mirror image of what we saw this season.


I don't think the 17 defense was even in the ball park of being shorthanded than this boat load of children we watched this year. Rashaan Evans was a beast in the middle and kept Mack wilson lined up correctly after SDH went down.

DaShawn Hand and Isaiah Buggs by themselves outclass our whole line put together this year.

oh and by the way Minkah Fitzpatrick, Ronnie Harrison and Levi Wallace were all playing at a higher level than anyone in our secondary

This year was the worst case scenario. Like the japs invading as far as the Mississippi after Bombing Pearl Harbor in WWII scenario.

I don't know what percent of this is Goldings fault. I'm sure some of it is, but if he stays you can bet Saban thinks the biggest percent reason is that our players were not very good.
Posted by bamameister
Right here, right now
Member since May 2016
17202 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 8:14 am to
quote:

Yet the prior year when they had a bunch of returning defensive players, they were able to hold Alabama to 16. So, did he just become the worse DC after being the best the prior year, or does experience and those things maybe matter when it comes to playing good defense - especially in the RPO age where defenses have trouble reading shite because of the lineman going downfield.

Who is your miracle DC that will do better?


Did you watch the gamplan we had for South Carolina? Did you watch that freshman QB carve up are defense all day, 5 and 10 yards at a time?

Did you see the gameplan we had for Ole Miss's freshman running QB? Did you see us even come close to shutting down about the only thing the rebels could do?

You need to get Joe Burrows off your brain. Cause our DC just made Bo Nix look like SEC freshman of the year.

Are you paying attention? Are you watching the pathetic tackling by our guys? The lack of hustle? The lack of belief?

I would happily tell coach Saban that Freddie Roach ain't Derrick Ansley. Bring him home. Dial-up Glenn Schumann and make him an offer to come home and coach inside LBers. Let's see, Derrick Ansley, and Glenn Schumann, there's a good start to putting a wrench on something that's actually broke.

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