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re: Shula days are here, again.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:25 am to InkStainedWretch
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:25 am to InkStainedWretch
The whole "Hold the rope!" thing never sat right with me, especially after he ducked out without speaking to his team. Watching him get beat 77-0 was so satisfying.
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Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:30 am to Bamadiver
Oh I agree, he should have been horse whipped for the way he skipped out. I’m talking about the general way he ran the program before then. He would not have put a team on the field like DeBoer did on Saturday.
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 11:30 am
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:33 am to InkStainedWretch
I can't disagree.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:42 am to RolltidePA
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You should be kinder to Shula, he was dealing with a crushing probation and a massively depleted roster... yet still found a way to win 10 games.
He also took the job at a time when no one other than Sylvester Croom wanted it.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:44 am to BamaChemE
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It’s definitely feeling like a return to the Debose era.
Wake me up when DeBoer wins an SEC championship and beats one of the greatest coaches of all time twice in a season.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:47 am to JIB
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Who would you have hired? DeBoer was the consensus hire.
It was a great hire on paper and outside the box. Byrne offered Sark first and he had the guy at Oregon and Deboer on the line.
Some of the names some of y’all came up with and still bringing up are laughable. Jim Leonard and Jimbo Fisher. LOL at that. Why not Jeremy Pruitt? If only he didn’t have a show cause right? HaHaHa!
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:48 am to RolltidePA
Not one to defend Shula, but he had pretty severe sanctions and limitations and was having to take questionable players. All of that said, I would probably take a hell of a lot of the 1s from the 2005 team at key positions on offense and defense over the 1s Bama has now.
People have been trying to convince themselves for 3 years that our tailbacks are pretty good and they just aren't. Not sure we have been able to lean on a running back since Brian Robinson and just don't understand how a team with this much cache is starting a qb that looks so mediocre.
People have been trying to convince themselves for 3 years that our tailbacks are pretty good and they just aren't. Not sure we have been able to lean on a running back since Brian Robinson and just don't understand how a team with this much cache is starting a qb that looks so mediocre.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:51 am to BamaGradinTn
This isn’t a return to anything it’s a disaster with the potential to eclipse anything we have seen previously. Dubose and Shula didn’t have the program handed to this that this guy has. Shula would probably have had us in the playoffs last year, possibly DuBose also. This is a monumental catastrophe on a scale we have not seen yet. We really don’t know how bad it is going to get. This guy we have now is going to wind up as the worst coach Alabama has had post Bryant.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:52 am to RolltidePA
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I know this seems pie in the sky, but we could hire a killer DC, throw some money at some OL and DL talent, have another good recruiting class and be in very good shape almost immediately.
I hope it’s that easy, because that may be what we have to do. $60M is a lot of money.
But, let’s say we hire a competent DC and DL coach and bring in some OL and DL talent.
Who is going to prepare them? Who is going to develop the rest of the team? Who is going to motivate them to play? Who is going to have them prepared to play? Who is going to change the culture of the team? Who is going to take away their stuffed dolls and fingernail polish?
This is a head coach problem, unfortunately. Deboer is absolutely, completely, 100% lost at all times. He doesn’t have a clue. And that infects every aspect of the program with the same.
I don’t know how we fix it. Deboer has to become unlost and competent within the next 4 months.
It’s a clusterfrick.
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:55 am to Chancellor
quote:It's not $60. It's 60 PLUS the assitants buyouts PLUS the new coach and staff and potential buyouts to get them out of their contracts. Legitimately if we tried to start over you could be looking at +$125 million.
$60M is a lot of money.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:57 am to GoodTalkRuss
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People have been trying to convince themselves for 3 years that our tailbacks are pretty good and they just aren't. Not sure we have been able to lean on a running back since Brian Robinson and just don't understand how a team with this much cache is starting a qb that looks so mediocre.
Most of Bama’s recruiting lately is vastly overrated. Go back and watch our RBs from years past like TJ Yeldon or Eddie Lacey and compare them to somebody like Jam Miller.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 11:59 am to imatider
The major difference here is that Dubose & Shula had never been head coaches. You were never sure if they actually knew what they were doing or not. When Shula was fired, the fanbase was still divided on whether it was the correct move. He still had a lot of believers out there.
Thing about Deboer is that he's had success. He was back to back COY in the Pac12. He still has a great W/L overall & against the elite coaches in the game. I dunno if he has me under a spell or what, but I refuse to believe CKD all of a sudden doesn't know what he's doing and sucks arse. If we do have to keep Deboer for a couple more years, I'd like to think at some point he's going to finally pull it together and get the ball rolling. There's no way he can be this bad, right?
Thing about Deboer is that he's had success. He was back to back COY in the Pac12. He still has a great W/L overall & against the elite coaches in the game. I dunno if he has me under a spell or what, but I refuse to believe CKD all of a sudden doesn't know what he's doing and sucks arse. If we do have to keep Deboer for a couple more years, I'd like to think at some point he's going to finally pull it together and get the ball rolling. There's no way he can be this bad, right?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:00 pm to TS1926
Maybe this is a stupid question, but the reason he was hired is because he has won everywhere. Why can’t this dude replicate some level of success? Was he really playing 1 or 2 hard games a year?
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:04 pm to imatider
You kidding? Shula would have been tied with Florida State 10-10 (or leading by 3 points) until the 6 minute mark in the 4th when the depth chart stated to show...
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:05 pm to Alfie Solomons
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but the reason he was hired is because he has won everywhere. Why can’t this dude replicate some level of success? Was he really playing 1 or 2 hard games a year?
I'd argue Michael Penix would explain his success at Washington but even then, his teams as a whole played a lot better and harder than his teams at Bama...
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:05 pm to Chancellor
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100%.
This was an epic failure on Byrne’s part- the definition of clusterfrick.
I think the main mistake wasnt hiring Deboer, who by all accounts checked every box, but rather it was the AD and BOT saddling the program with an unbelievable buyout.
Buyouts are a relic and should be done away with. Their only purpose is draining money from boosters and fans...to siphon money to lawyers and (probably) the people approving these contracts under the table.
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:08 pm to scottydoesntknow
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but rather it was the AD and BOT saddling the program with an unbelievable buyout.
Everyone on the shortlist would’ve required a big buyout. All the guys that we wanted to hire had a nice nest already built for themselves
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:10 pm to PuertoRicanBlaze
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but the reason he was hired is because he has won everywhere. Why can’t this dude replicate some level of success? Was he really playing 1 or 2 hard games a year?
I'd argue Michael Penix would explain his success at Washington but even then, his teams as a whole played a lot better and harder than his teams at Bama...
This is the puzzling thing to me. Those teams played hard. Our two hardest playing players...came from Washington. Its bizarre
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:11 pm to Alfie Solomons
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Maybe this is a stupid question, but the reason he was hired is because he has won everywhere. Why can’t this dude replicate some level of success? Was he really playing 1 or 2 hard games a year?
Not trying to take away from his record, because he did win those games and he did beat some awfully good teams. But if you inspect his Washington game logs over the two seasons where they really rose up, they had quite a few really close calls against complete head scratcher teams that were awful. They didn't habitually pummel lesser opponents. Oddly, last year, boat race Wisky & LSU, beat UGA and then had those head scratching lesser performances... But this time it was against SEC quality lesser opponents and it ended in embarrassing losses.
This post was edited on 9/2/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 9/2/25 at 12:13 pm to Glorious
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but rather it was the AD and BOT saddling the program with an unbelievable buyout.
Everyone on the shortlist would’ve required a big buyout. All the guys that we wanted to hire had a nice nest already built for themselves
Maybe, but dont hire them. If theres anything ive learned from CFB all my life is that the biggest hires are not always or even more often than not the best coaches in the game. Unless you are getting an absolute slam dunk(Saban or Meyer), you really have no idea if that coach is gonna work out
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