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Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:02 pm to Tider95
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:02 pm to Tider95
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So teams have noticed that we don't have the kind of personnel that can handle formational changes to attack the weakest player and have adjusted. That is something you literally cannot stop as a defense, you live with 3 busts over a shite ton of plays and fight on.
Lots of things in life you simply can't change. With the spread offense comes the spread defense being one of those. In that no one is stopping spread teams it's best to at least conquer plan B. Plan B is damage control.
Regardless of personnel, you aren't stopping or at least slowing down the potent spread offenses without pressure and without spying running QBs. Especially running QBs that automatically outnumber the defense at the point of attack. Don't know why Golding insists on such a conservative strategy that has already cost us a NC. And made 3 QBs look like all-SEC against us.
The LSU version of the "Saints" spread attack requires more Dime than Nickle. For that, I'm much more thankful and hopeful.
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:14 pm to bamameister
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Don't know why Golding insists on such a conservative strategy that has already cost us a NC. And made 3 QBs look like all-SEC against us.
So A) if it cost us the national championship and he has repeated it this season without changes, that seems like a Saban defense issue and B) it didn't cost us the national championship game, failing over and over on scoring chances on offense did far more damage to us.
As for your "all-SEC" against us line, he did it becuase it worked and we won with a bunch of TF in the defense.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:18 pm to Tider95
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Because it worked and we won with a bunch of TF in the defense?
We haven't won diddly with Golding as our DC. Pretty sure Golding knows better than most that NCs are the only yardstick being used in these parts.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:20 pm to rtr12
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He's got stiff hips.
Years ago, the long-tenured baseball coach at Wallace Community College in Dothan made his whole team take ballet every year to work on flexibility. Lee would be great candidate for that - or yoga, or something. Flexibility would make him a longer strider and he'd pick up a step. I'm sure the staff will be on top of whatever needs to be done come the offseason.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:23 pm to bamameister
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We haven't won diddly with Golding as our DC. Pretty sure Golding knows better than most that NCs are the only yardstick being used in these parts.
So you ignored the rest of the post because it didnt fit your narrative and you made the most generic "bammer fan" post possible?
We love to talk about the process and saban's 1 game at a time mantra until we actually have to use a bit of thought and apply that the defensive scheme choices made this season have been explicitly 1 game at a time based.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:28 pm to Tider95
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So A) if it cost us the national championship and he has repeated it this season without changes, that seems like a Saban defense issue
Does it? Not getting lined up properly, sloppy tackling, is that a Saban thing too?
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As for your "all-SEC" against us line, he did it becuase it worked and we won with a bunch of TF in the defense.
Only a few teams have the talent to get it done, but you knew that. As long as the blueprint is out there, so is the solution.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:28 pm to bamameister
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Don't know why Golding insists on such a conservative strategy that has already cost us a NC.
We lost that National Championship because the offense drove inside the 10 yard line 5 times and scored 3 points.
Regarding the defense, Terrell Lewis was out, Christian Miller had a hamstring injury and wasn't close to healthy, Isaiah Buggs was playing on one leg, and Diggs was out. We had no pass rush and our best corner on the field was a true freshman, and Savion Smith was so bad he quit mid-game.
Putting that loss on Golding is a patently ridiculous thing to say.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:28 pm to prevatt33b
I think Lee may gain two steps if he lost about ten pounds. Over 240 on a rather short frame right now. He has done pretty well when everything is in front of him. Sideline to sideline isn't his strong suit but I wouldn't call him slow. Overall I can't say anything negative about him regardless.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:34 pm to bamameister
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Does it? Not getting lined up properly, sloppy tackling, is that a Saban thing too?
If according to you, this has gone on for almost a year now, yes that appears to be a Saban issue. You are basically telling me Saban is asleep at the wheel and no longer is heavily involved with the defense to the point that you are noticing issues that he hasn't.
So either Golding has been handed sole responsibility for everything defense related... or this is just a reality of having a depleted defense with a TF signal caller. I can think of games with sloppy tackling with every Saban defense since at least 2011, it happens no matter who is the coordinator.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:34 pm to prevatt33b
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Putting that loss on Golding is a patently ridiculous thing to say.
No one has put that game completely on Golding. More hyperbole from you I see.
But it most certainly was a contributing factor. It's a lot easier to run a marathon without loading your pockets with pennies at the start line.
And Clemson lost a TE, OL and their All-American and best defensive player Dexter Lawrence for that game.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:38 pm to bamameister
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No one has put that game completely on Golding.
You literally said this a few minutes ago.
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Don't know why Golding insists on such a conservative strategy that has already cost us a NC.
Those words by literal definition are putting 100% of the blame on Golding.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:41 pm to rtr12
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Stats do not tell the whole story here. He may be good one day,
I think so. I’ll make a comparison to Hightower - which is probably not fair but so what.
He is not nearly as big as Hightower is, but Hightower got beat a lot (he does not have overwhelmingly speed either) his first year. He eventually just studied the game, learned to take better angles, how routes are run, etc. now he knows routes better than most RBs - but he doesn’t drop as much as he used to - he is much better rushing (they were putting his hand in the dirt and rushing) the QB on 3rd down.
It just takes time - which is what he’d be getting if not for the injuries. Plus, the kid is very smart.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:46 pm to Tider95
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If according to you, this has gone on for almost a year now, yes that appears to be a Saban issue. You are basically telling me Saban is asleep at the wheel and no longer is heavily involved with the defense to the point that you are noticing issues that he hasn't.
You tell me? Nothing any of us are discussing at this point is hypothetical. Plenty of articles have said as much after SC, OM and ATM. So, I would say reality doesn't much care what coach Saban does or doesn't know at this point.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:50 pm to prevatt33b
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You literally said this a few minutes ago.
I also said we are doing very well in the Dime Rabbit. I said: "We are getting lined up, putting pressure on the QB, keeping teams under 250 total yards and controlling the scoreboard."
Which one of those specifically hurt your feelings?
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:51 pm to bamameister
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You tell me? Nothing any of us are discussing at this point is hypothetical.
So to be clear, you think Golding and to the extent that he gets involved, Saban, are incompetently running this defense, so much so it was the reason we lost the NCG and that there are obvious solutions that our incredibly experienced defensive staff have just missed that would solve these issues?
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:52 pm to bamameister
I wouldn't blame Golding for playing the freshmen.
That is apparently the best they have. It is what it is. Too many injuries and recruiting busts at that position.
That is apparently the best they have. It is what it is. Too many injuries and recruiting busts at that position.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:52 pm to bamameister
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I also said we are doing very well in the Dime Rabbit. I said: "We are getting lined up, putting pressure on the QB, keeping teams under 250 total yards and controlling the scoreboard."
Which one of those specifically hurt your feelings?
You are all over the place, you are not consistent in your posts in the same thread, no one has hurt feelings, we just don't understand what argument you are even trying to make.
Your original post about Lee made sense and we both were discussing the nickel rabbit issue you brought up as a blip in an otherwise pretty successful defense relative to the issues it faced (as you mentioned with our success in dime rabbit), you then took it to the NCG and Golding specifically.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 4:01 pm to rtr12
He plays not because he is great but because those behind him are worse. #36 is never going to be a player for Bama. He has zero football savvy. None,nada,zip,zero.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 4:04 pm to Tider95
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So to be clear, you think Golding and to the extent that he gets involved, Saban, are incompetently running this defense, so much so it was the reason we lost the NCG and that there are obvious solutions that our incredibly experienced defensive staff have just missed that would solve these issues?
To be clear, clarity isn't what you're struggling with here. Your daddy, you and me, and coach Saban all have feet of clay. It's just life. The idea is to win in spite of our limitations.
There has been a lot of suggestions. Mostly, why getting pressure on the QB in our Nickle has been rare to non-existent.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 4:15 pm to Tider95
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You are all over the place, you are not consistent in your posts in the same thread, no one has hurt feelings, we just don't understand what argument you are even trying to make.
"WE" has got nothing to do with it. The scheme, not just limitations with personnel, is what Golding is having trouble with. Last season and this season. Not all defensive schemes, thus the term I've used a hundred times now, Dime vs Nickel."
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Your original post about Lee made sense and we both were discussing the nickel rabbit issue you brought up as a blip in an otherwise pretty successful defense relative to the issues it faced (as you mentioned with our success in dime rabbit), you then took it to the NCG and Golding specifically.
I also took it to the SC, OM and ATM games. Look, no one expects the 2011 defense to show up. Spread offenses are just too plentiful these days and prolific. Just give our defense a fighting chance to get off the field on 3rd down. Putting consistent pressure on these spread QBs, and playing man to man is about the only way you are going to get the job done.
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