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Shane Lee
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:22 pm
Second on the team in tackles, 50 through 8 games, 6.25 per game
3rd on the team in tackles for loss, only behind our 2 edge rushers. 5 tpl .69 per game
3rd on the team in sacks, 3.5 sacks, .44 per game
He is the starting Mike linebacker as a true freshman for a top 10 scoring Defense through 8 games in the SEC.
Tired of people dogging him like he's a bad player or having a bad season, expecting him to play perfectly as a true freshman. He's out there thinking what he's gotta do and what the rest of the defense is supposed to be doing, still playing at a high level, especially for a true freshman. He's averaging more tackles per game than any of our starting middle linebackers since 2016 Rueben Foster
3rd on the team in tackles for loss, only behind our 2 edge rushers. 5 tpl .69 per game
3rd on the team in sacks, 3.5 sacks, .44 per game
He is the starting Mike linebacker as a true freshman for a top 10 scoring Defense through 8 games in the SEC.
Tired of people dogging him like he's a bad player or having a bad season, expecting him to play perfectly as a true freshman. He's out there thinking what he's gotta do and what the rest of the defense is supposed to be doing, still playing at a high level, especially for a true freshman. He's averaging more tackles per game than any of our starting middle linebackers since 2016 Rueben Foster
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 1:27 pm
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:28 pm to narddogg81
He's got stiff hips. Has bee getting worked in pass coverage. Stats do not tell the whole story here. He may be good one day, but I nor have a lot of people I have talked to have been impressed with him
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:30 pm to rtr12
Stop. We all agree the kid's a good player. But, many of us see his skill set as of now isn't congruent with a successful defensive game plan against LSU. That's all it is.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:38 pm to Shaft Williams
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Stop. We all agree the kid's a good player. But, many of us see his skill set as of now isn't congruent with a successful defensive game plan against LSU. That's all it is.
And it would be nice and a little more than fair to give Golding some credit for our early struggles in the Nickle Rabbit look.
Mr. Lee has been everything you could want from a TF thrown to the wolves. I've seen a few players run away from him. Not any have gone through him.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:40 pm to narddogg81
Given the role he's been asked to fill, I think he's been great. He's had a tremendous load on his shoulders.
He's had some struggles at times, but I fully expected some so no big deal.
He's had some struggles at times, but I fully expected some so no big deal.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:45 pm to narddogg81
I have been really impressed with Shane since day 1.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:54 pm to narddogg81
Shane was thrown in an awful spot just like Christian and has, as far as we've heard and seen, absolutely worked his arse off to learn and compete and be the best he can.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:03 pm to narddogg81
He's better today than Trey Depriest was when he graduated.
Lee clocked a 4.7 40 at a HS combine and has probably added a step since then..but even at the time he was faster than the highly coveted and much lighter Nakobe Dean.
Y'all find me a middle linebacker in college football that doesn't have stiff hips in coverage. CJ Mosley's don't grow on trees. Shane's primary job saturday needs to be stopping the run. If they are out there in 4 wide and no tight ends and he ends up covering a skill guy in man, then Pete Golding didn't do his job
Lee clocked a 4.7 40 at a HS combine and has probably added a step since then..but even at the time he was faster than the highly coveted and much lighter Nakobe Dean.
Y'all find me a middle linebacker in college football that doesn't have stiff hips in coverage. CJ Mosley's don't grow on trees. Shane's primary job saturday needs to be stopping the run. If they are out there in 4 wide and no tight ends and he ends up covering a skill guy in man, then Pete Golding didn't do his job
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:12 pm to narddogg81
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He's out there thinking what he's gotta do and what the rest of the defense is supposed to be doing, still playing at a high level, especially for a true freshman.
Pretty amazing when you stop and think about it.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:12 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
I am glad this thread was created. I am no expert but S Lee is always covering the person he is suppose to. His physical skills makes him a half step behind, but the throw needs to be pretty spot on if the offense wants to complete the play.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:21 pm to rtr12
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but I nor have a lot of people I have talked to have been impressed with him
You stumped me on this one.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:24 pm to bamameister
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And it would be nice and a little more than fair to give Golding some credit for our early struggles in the Nickle Rabbit look.
It might have been the fact that we lost both starting ILBs in Fall camp and were banged up in the defensive front in the first half of the season.
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Mr. Lee has been everything you could want from a TF thrown to the wolves. I've seen a few players run away from him. Not any have gone through him.
You are spot on here, though.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:32 pm to narddogg81
People are looking for the reason that this is a good defense and not a great one. Lee hasn’t been perfect but he’s been solid. Also in the past our D line has helped the ILBs excel and we aren’t getting as much of that this year
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:32 pm to narddogg81
people forget they we are playing 2 freshman ILB. I think he has been very good for the circumstances. His weakness has obviously been covering backs out of the backfield. If he was playing next to a junior or senior ILB I bet he looks really, really good.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:38 pm to prevatt33b
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It might have been the fact that we lost both starting ILBs in Fall camp and were banged up in the defensive front in the first half of the season.
I've given Golding credit a number of times. In the Dime, we've gotten lined up properly, put pressure on the offense, kept everyone under 250 total yards and controlled the scoreboard.
All hell has broken out 3 times out of our Nickle Rabbit this season. The same Nickle Rabbit hell that was breaking out in the latter part of last season and through the playoffs.
Maybe you just hadn't noticed?
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:38 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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He's better today than Trey Depriest was when he graduated.
Lee clocked a 4.7 40 at a HS combine and has probably added a step since then..but even at the time he was faster than the highly coveted and much lighter Nakobe Dean.
Y'all find me a middle linebacker in college football that doesn't have stiff hips in coverage. CJ Mosley's don't grow on trees. Shane's primary job saturday needs to be stopping the run. If they are out there in 4 wide and no tight ends and he ends up covering a skill guy in man, then Pete Golding didn't do his job
This is spot on, but regarding the bolded portion, it's impossible to completely avoid something like this 2 or 3 times a game, assuming you're counting the single RB in this 4-Wide set as a "skill guy." Any team that can go 3-Wide 2-Back or 3-Wide 1RB 1-FB/H can certainly shift to 4-Wide 1-RB or even 5 Wide without changing personnel, and we'd have to play it with Lee on the field for a play or call a timeout, which is a waste. Golding's mistake would only be if he got caught in it 2 plays in a row.
While I agree with your overall sentiment that Golding needs to get us in Dime when need be, we must - as spectators on TV or in the stands - understand that it's literally impossible to be in the perfect defensive scheme/play call each and every play. The only way to do that would be to have a time machine and keep jumping back in time and making the defensive play call after you saw what they did.
I think sometimes fans have the tendency to overreact to a small handful of mistakes and blow them out of proportion, rather than remembering that it's the fact that the mistakes numbering only a small handful is what makes players and coaches great. No one is perfect, and no one can predict the future.
Calling a defense is reacting to their personnel and knowing their scheme and tendencies, and then calling a defense to cover as many bases as you can while prioritizing stopping what the offense does well. It's rarely possible to have literally every base covered.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:41 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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f they are out there in 4 wide and no tight ends and he ends up covering a skill guy in man, then Pete Golding didn't do his job
Early on when he was the only signal caller left, it made sense to leave him out there despite his limitations. Golding has done a good job limiting his exposure as best he can since then.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:44 pm to bamameister
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All hell has broken out 3 times out of our Nickle Rabbit this season. The same Nickle Rabbit hell that was breaking out in the latter part of last season and through the playoffs.
Maybe you just hadn't noticed?
So teams have noticed that we don't have the kind of personnel that can handle formational changes to attack the weakest player and have adjusted. That is something you literally cannot stop as a defense, you live with 3 busts over a shite ton of plays and fight on.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:46 pm to bamameister
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I've given Golding credit a number of times. In the Dime, we've gotten lined up properly, put pressure on the defense, kept everyone under 250 total yards and controlled the scoreboard.
All hell has broken out 3 times out of our Nickle Rabbit this season. The same Nickle Rabbit hell that was breaking out in the latter part of last season and through the playoffs.
Maybe you just hadn't noticed?
Firstly, if you were offended, you shouldn't be. I also didn't imply you were insulting Golding or hadn't give him credit.
Secondly, is your expectation to not ever give up any form of a big play all season, or to go an entire season without a major defensive breakdown on a play?
This is not a reasonable expectation. There's not a defensive coach on planet earth now or in the past who cold coach a defense into perfection each and every play with never having a breakdown, not even in the NFL. And you and I are watching teenagers do it.
Personally, I don't think it's reasonable to throw much of any criticism at Golding in 2019 based on what he has been working with. It's my opinion that he's done a absolutely fantastic job, even with a handful of breakdowns. Offenses are legit nowadays, even on mediocre teams.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:53 pm to narddogg81
He has done everything asked of him, performed as well as could be expected, and doesn't run his mouth. I am very happy with him.
He gets caught up in change of direction sometimes, and obviously is a step slow here and there but, that isn't something that can't be worked on and fixed.
If anything he has helped our DL at times stuff the run. He hit Gitmo in the UT game so hard on the goal line I thought it killed him and maybe it did considering how fast the ball came out.
He gets caught up in change of direction sometimes, and obviously is a step slow here and there but, that isn't something that can't be worked on and fixed.
If anything he has helped our DL at times stuff the run. He hit Gitmo in the UT game so hard on the goal line I thought it killed him and maybe it did considering how fast the ball came out.
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