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re: Saban is pissed that people complain about a 14-13 win
Posted on 10/13/14 at 7:48 pm to tiderider
Posted on 10/13/14 at 7:48 pm to tiderider
Well, according to The Tiger Rant, this means he is miserable and washed up
Y'all are making Coach miserable.
Still ALL up in their heads.
Y'all are making Coach miserable.
Still ALL up in their heads.
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Posted on 10/13/14 at 7:51 pm to BamaChick
They're fun. 4 straight will make it even more amazing. 
Posted on 10/13/14 at 9:05 pm to tiderider
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no one who uses twitter for anything should get upset how twitter is used in reference to them ... twitter/social media/etc is a 2-way street ... doesn't excuse anything, but anyone who has a twitter account should know there are idiots out there with no boundaries on what they'll say ..
I mean I guess, but just because you know that there are idiots on Twitter doesn't mean someone's comments are any less troubling coming from someone that is supposed to support you.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 9:35 pm to BamaChick
Most of the replies in that thread are making fun of the op.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 9:38 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Twitter doesn't mean someone's comments are any less troubling coming from someone that is supposed to support you.
Hopefully the players are mature enough to understand that the people making these comments are idiots.
Posted on 10/13/14 at 9:39 pm to asphinctersayswhat
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Hopefully the players are mature enough to understand that the people making these comments are idiots.
Well of course they do. What is your point?
Posted on 10/13/14 at 11:12 pm to Aman
If we didnt play with that much heart, we would have gave in and lost
Posted on 10/14/14 at 2:59 am to The Spleen
I don't know about everyone, but I'm not the type of fan that talks shite to other fanbases, so when we lose games I don't get embarrassed and feel like a dumbass. Making me feel obligated to blame the world and find excuses to argue for. I love to win championships and be dominant, don't get me wrong, but I'm going to enjoy this year no matter what. Simply because we still have the coach that won us 3 of 4. He has forever earned my respect. Roll Tide.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 3:23 am
Posted on 10/14/14 at 7:28 am to LukeSidewalker
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I love to win championships and be dominant, don't get me wrong, but I'm going to enjoy this year no matter what. Simply because we still have the coach that won us 3 of 4. He has forever earned my respect. Roll Tide.
You must have missed the "championships or bust" theme where we're not allowed to enjoy hard fought close losses.
Anyways, I agree with you completely. I just want to enjoy the season. For all the complaining we don't know how many more we will have with Saban and after that is the unknown.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 8:22 am to YStar
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:20 pm to chattabama
OUR expectations are mathematical, fair, and logical. They're based off of his body of work here.
If he doesn't want our expectations to be high like that, then he should INTENTIONALLY lower our scores on teams we have choke slammed instead. He asks far too much from the people that keep him employed and paid. He's a pissy f'ker. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's OUR pissy f'ker, but his anger is certainly misplaced on me this time.
He should remember that as much as HE believes in perfection, and as much as he believes he can control... hombre can NOT control human nature. I know he's just insulating the young players on our team from negativity... and I would not be saying all this if he hadn't been genuinely pissed.
Kiss my arse! You get paid a TON. You have to take the heat from US sometimes.
Sorry, y'all. I've been wanting to get that off my chest! I guess at the end of the day, I'll accept his pissy attitude when he can't accept ours if it means keeping him as a coach. But he ought not expect me to think of him like I do the Bear... sans his abilities.
*edit*
i'm drinking fwiw.. but i really was rubbed wrong this time with his hissy fit.
If he doesn't want our expectations to be high like that, then he should INTENTIONALLY lower our scores on teams we have choke slammed instead. He asks far too much from the people that keep him employed and paid. He's a pissy f'ker. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's OUR pissy f'ker, but his anger is certainly misplaced on me this time.
He should remember that as much as HE believes in perfection, and as much as he believes he can control... hombre can NOT control human nature. I know he's just insulating the young players on our team from negativity... and I would not be saying all this if he hadn't been genuinely pissed.
Kiss my arse! You get paid a TON. You have to take the heat from US sometimes.
Sorry, y'all. I've been wanting to get that off my chest!
I guess at the end of the day, I'll accept his pissy attitude when he can't accept ours if it means keeping him as a coach. But he ought not expect me to think of him like I do the Bear... sans his abilities. *edit*
i'm drinking fwiw.. but i really was rubbed wrong this time with his hissy fit.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:27 pm to m2pro
Somebody point out to me where Saban ever mentioned the fans in his little tirade. He said when he talks to people. How many fans do you think Saban talked to between the game and that presser? He's using the media as his scapegoats and he's communicating to his team. It's Saban's M.O., it has been for a while, and it works. Next week, it will be a different tactic, because his team will be in a different mindset. Jedi mind tricks, people.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:44 pm to JuiceTerry
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JuiceTerry
He has on numerous occasions pointed blame to fans on how they act, and I'm with you on his jedi-mind trick thing. But when the man uses true emotion I gotta believe he's not being as political as much as reactionary. Gotta show the crew of the ship that the captain is level headed and in control at ALL times.
I'm with you. I'm not arguing with his record. And I know he's a master of the psychological game both in terms of his players, his staff and the fans of the team he coaches.
All I'm trying to say is if you're paid that kind of jack, take one on the chin sometimes and BE in control of yourself. At the end of the day, SOMETHING is up the last two games with our offense. And it's a very differenty sorta problem than we're used to seeing under him. It's his JOB to kick more arse than we did Saturday. It's OUR job to hold him accountable when we really ought. :P
Posted on 10/14/14 at 4:47 pm to JuiceTerry
ALSO, I would like to point out that it's not common I disagree with him... even with regards to his anger or frustration with our fans btw.
Just this time.
Just this time.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:18 pm to LukeSidewalker
It's good to see that many of you guys have the correct view of this. It's absurd to generalize that the team didn't play "with heart" or maximal effort. As for coach's rant about people complaining about a 14-13 win, he's right. Anyone complaining about that have lost perspective about what is important.
Honestly though I haven't seen many, if any, people complaining about that. What they are complaining about were all the mental errors that were made and confusing the mental errors with a lack of heart. There were also times, especially with the offensive line, where the man was just flat out beat. This was also confused with the lack of heart.
It seems clear to me that neither of these are about heart. The former seems to happen the worst possible times and unfortunately have happened in several games this year. Saban seemed to be as frustrated as I was when those errors occurred. Mental errors should be a fixable problem. If they continue and there is no change in personnel, I think it is safe to assume there must not be a better option waiting in the depth chart and we are stuck with what we've got. Unfortunately, the latter problem will have the same fate and we will just have to realize that we just arent that good this year. At least not as good as in previous years.
I know one thing for certain. Saban doesn't like having a bad football team any more than any of us and will correct the issues through recruiting and coaching changes if necessary. He already addressed some of the issues with last years recruiting class with all the offensive linemen he took (3 of them rated #1 at their respective positions). One might have even been able to conclude what Saban's opinion of this offensive line based on last years overwhelming emphasis on quality offensive linemen. Saban has to rely on his coaching staff evaluations of players under their specific expertise and perhaps some of those evaluations were not that accurate. At any rate, I suspect that we haven't seen more of them because of other issues we are not privy to (playbook, size, strength, etc).
In the meantime, enjoy the wins that Saban's second worst football team since being at Bama can scrap and fight for. If the past is an indicator, we won't have a bad football team in but one out of every 6 to 7 years. Who knows maybe this team will improve this year. Every other team sans the first seems to get progressively better as the season goes along. The fact remains though that we may lose some even if we do get better. But it wont be a lack of effort. It will be because the other guy was better.
Honestly though I haven't seen many, if any, people complaining about that. What they are complaining about were all the mental errors that were made and confusing the mental errors with a lack of heart. There were also times, especially with the offensive line, where the man was just flat out beat. This was also confused with the lack of heart.
It seems clear to me that neither of these are about heart. The former seems to happen the worst possible times and unfortunately have happened in several games this year. Saban seemed to be as frustrated as I was when those errors occurred. Mental errors should be a fixable problem. If they continue and there is no change in personnel, I think it is safe to assume there must not be a better option waiting in the depth chart and we are stuck with what we've got. Unfortunately, the latter problem will have the same fate and we will just have to realize that we just arent that good this year. At least not as good as in previous years.
I know one thing for certain. Saban doesn't like having a bad football team any more than any of us and will correct the issues through recruiting and coaching changes if necessary. He already addressed some of the issues with last years recruiting class with all the offensive linemen he took (3 of them rated #1 at their respective positions). One might have even been able to conclude what Saban's opinion of this offensive line based on last years overwhelming emphasis on quality offensive linemen. Saban has to rely on his coaching staff evaluations of players under their specific expertise and perhaps some of those evaluations were not that accurate. At any rate, I suspect that we haven't seen more of them because of other issues we are not privy to (playbook, size, strength, etc).
In the meantime, enjoy the wins that Saban's second worst football team since being at Bama can scrap and fight for. If the past is an indicator, we won't have a bad football team in but one out of every 6 to 7 years. Who knows maybe this team will improve this year. Every other team sans the first seems to get progressively better as the season goes along. The fact remains though that we may lose some even if we do get better. But it wont be a lack of effort. It will be because the other guy was better.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:26 pm to chattabama
My take:
Saban knows Sims has very low and fragile confidence and he doesn't want the fans complaining to hurt it.
Saban has treated Sims very differently from AJ. AJ had an ego, so Saban knew yelling was the best way to coach him.
Sims on the other hand is probably very aware of the expectations and short on confidence, as such Saban knows he needs to be built up.
Saban knows Sims has very low and fragile confidence and he doesn't want the fans complaining to hurt it.
Saban has treated Sims very differently from AJ. AJ had an ego, so Saban knew yelling was the best way to coach him.
Sims on the other hand is probably very aware of the expectations and short on confidence, as such Saban knows he needs to be built up.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 5:32 pm to tuck
Agreed on all points, except one.
If he were calm and composed on the sideline when shite goes wrong, then he can expect us to be calm when shite goes wrong. He's just as guilty as the fans are for being reactionary and frustrated. Practice what you preach.
Our fan base practically worships the guy. They'll get over this in VERY short time. But it takes an individual far less time to get over something than hundreds of thousands of individuals. It's all simple cause and effect.
I'm ALL FOR this year being what we have to "deal" with though lol. We're the ultimate shite over the last 5-6 years, and I couldn't appreciate it more. I just think Saban needs to be a little more realistic about fan reactions... PARTICULARLY ours.
Another perspective thing you brought up that's very key for fans that are unconsolable... Saban can't stand losing -far- more than we can't stand losing. He's a cyborg. And he's still the best college football coach in America by light years.
If he were calm and composed on the sideline when shite goes wrong, then he can expect us to be calm when shite goes wrong. He's just as guilty as the fans are for being reactionary and frustrated. Practice what you preach.
Our fan base practically worships the guy. They'll get over this in VERY short time. But it takes an individual far less time to get over something than hundreds of thousands of individuals. It's all simple cause and effect.
I'm ALL FOR this year being what we have to "deal" with though lol. We're the ultimate shite over the last 5-6 years, and I couldn't appreciate it more. I just think Saban needs to be a little more realistic about fan reactions... PARTICULARLY ours.
Another perspective thing you brought up that's very key for fans that are unconsolable... Saban can't stand losing -far- more than we can't stand losing. He's a cyborg. And he's still the best college football coach in America by light years.
This post was edited on 10/14/14 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:31 pm to m2pro
He sees the fan base differently than we see ourselves. Let's be honest. We see ourselves as either surrogate players or coaches. So as such we can tell our players and coaches the truth as we see it. Saban will never accept this.
He sees the fan base as a huge mass of energy that should always be positive and supportive no matter what. When the players are playing poorly, Saban does not want us telling them what they already know. It's not useful and in fact may be harmful if carried out too far (see twitter threats). Saban wants us to be this sort of optimistic cosmic power juice that permeates the whole state. Tweets to players such as 22 shoudn't be "you suck. sit down." It should be "Keep your head up. You'll get the next one." He wants us to be that way all the time. He's got the criticism and teaching on his shoulders. We have the constant flow of support and unwaivering positive attitude on our shoulders. This stuff we control that can literally change a player's....neigh, a whole team's entire attitude from one of "we can't" to "we will and whoever gets in our way shall be crushed into oblivion." Can you imagine what we could be capable of if every fan just accepted their small part of the optimisitic cosmic crimson power nebulus 100%? I think he's onto something.
He sees the fan base as a huge mass of energy that should always be positive and supportive no matter what. When the players are playing poorly, Saban does not want us telling them what they already know. It's not useful and in fact may be harmful if carried out too far (see twitter threats). Saban wants us to be this sort of optimistic cosmic power juice that permeates the whole state. Tweets to players such as 22 shoudn't be "you suck. sit down." It should be "Keep your head up. You'll get the next one." He wants us to be that way all the time. He's got the criticism and teaching on his shoulders. We have the constant flow of support and unwaivering positive attitude on our shoulders. This stuff we control that can literally change a player's....neigh, a whole team's entire attitude from one of "we can't" to "we will and whoever gets in our way shall be crushed into oblivion." Can you imagine what we could be capable of if every fan just accepted their small part of the optimisitic cosmic crimson power nebulus 100%? I think he's onto something.
Posted on 10/14/14 at 6:37 pm to tuck
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He sees the fan base as a huge mass of energy that should always be positive and supportive no matter what. When the players are playing poorly, Saban does not want us telling them what they already know. It's not useful and in fact may be harmful if carried out too far (see twitter threats). Saban wants us to be this sort of optimistic cosmic power juice that permeates the whole state. Tweets to players such as 22 shoudn't be "you suck. sit down." It should be "Keep your head up. You'll get the next one." He wants us to be that way all the time. He's got the criticism and teaching on his shoulders. We have the constant flow of support and unwaivering positive attitude on our shoulders. This stuff we control that can literally change a player's....neigh, a whole team's entire attitude from one of "we can't" to "we will and whoever gets in our way shall be crushed into oblivion." Can you imagine what we could be capable of if every fan just accepted their small part of the optimisitic cosmic crimson power nebulus 100%? I think he's onto something.
So, let's say I concede that you're definitely right. That, all humor aside, is -f'king exactly- how he thinks and what he expects of us. His only problem is that an alien race whose IQ is a 200 avg, and we also don't speak telepathically.
Seriously, you're so right it's painful... but he does need to live up in dis real world... based in the deep south.
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