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re: Saban and the players handling this, well, just like you'd expect.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:44 pm to IB4bama
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:44 pm to IB4bama
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Players only meeting after one practice.
This is not a negative.
Traditionally in football (i.e. old school), 'players only meetings' were an attempt to right a sinking ship. In modern CFB and a modern regime, player meetings are both normal/commonplace and an excellent way for a team to police/govern/regulate itself as it's not only top-down (from leadership committee), but also peet-to-peer regulation.
The game has changed.
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:46 pm to John Milner
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In spite of reports on some of these boards that Tua turned it over a lot in practice, Travis Reier reported that Tua was lighting up the best defense in college football in practices.
And as has been noted multiple times, both reports can be true.
Like it or not, Nick Saban values ball security over almost anything else. If Tua (or anybody) is going 20-for-30 in practice for 250 yards with four interceptions, Saban isn't going to like that.
I don't know any fan -- on this board, or in real life -- who is still saying Jalen Hurts should be our QB. Two things, though:
1) It ain't our decision.
2) The guy who IS making that decision is arguably the greatest college football coach in history -- certainly the greatest since Bryant. What's more, he has a lot more information at his disposal, and is much better qualified than any of us to make this decision.
Why the same points keep getting rehashed about this topic mystifies me.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:54 pm to 1BamaRTR
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good performance against MSU I thought he had
It really wasn't that good dude. He was always able to hit wide open receivers and our elite guys gave him really good open looks on that last drive. His first half was terrible or we likely would not have needed a game winning drive. In fairness though, he did play better than he did against A&M and the defense was giving State 3 or 4 yards up the gut every time they ran between the tackles which was a lot.
Nobody knows what Saban was thinking by not starting Tua the whole month of November or even playing him more than he did early in the season to get him ready to replace a guy that he knew was terrible in the passing game. Bottom line is that nobody is perfect and even though it is heresy to say it, Saban made a bad decision and it almost cost us another title and it did cost us an arse whipping at the hands of our instate rival. It also cost us a WR recruit from Alabama who was one of the best in America and a really big guy to boot.
And for the last time most of you guys called me a fricking moron all year for saying these things and I even caught a one week ban for saying he was a below average quarterback. You guys tried to run me off the fricking board over that shite. Then the Auburn loss happened and the only thing different about his play from the rest of the year is that it costed us an embarrassing loss and nearly knocked us out of playoff contention. Then everybody was finally seeing that we just wasn't going to beat a team with a great defense under Hurts. And this was even after watching him throw for 80 yards against FSU and watching even worse performances the last four games of 2016.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:01 pm to Sauron
Spot on!! 
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:08 pm to CAbamafan
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- Saban is going so soft on Jalen it's absurd.
How do you know this?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:12 pm to stomp
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How do you know this?
Because he knows everything. Have you not been paying attention?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:55 pm to Commander Data
I didn’t say he was spectacular against State. Just that he was good. There were a couple of throws he was making with defenders coming right at him. One of his long throws to Ridley was on the move. The Jalen after that game didn’t do either of that. For a stretch of 2 games he actually looked kind of confident but then fell back down to earth again.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:06 pm to Sauron
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Sauron
The whole point of that discussion came from the comment that Saban was going to play who he feels gives them the best chance to win. Observation that the offensive coordinator, the guy he hired to run the offense, thought at least by November that would be Tua, is pertinent and relevant to the conversation. Has that been noted before? Absolutely. It's also been noted before that though Saban is arguably the greatest college coach ever, he may be even better if he's leave the offense to the guys he hires to coach it. So I didn't say anything, and neither did you, that hasn't been said before. But we keep saying it, don't we. It mystifies you that we keep discussing it, but here you are, perpetuating the thread.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:24 pm to Commander Data
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It really wasn't that good dude...His first half was terrible or we likely would not have needed a game winning drive.
Dude, he was 4-6 for 151 yards in the first half, hitting Calvin Ridley deep twice, leading us to two touchdowns...it was 14-14 at halftime. How is that terrible? And the reason we needed a game winning drive was because the defense could not get off the field all night long; the D only forced one three and out and gave up 8 of 15 third down conversions (and it wasn't because our offense wasn't moving the ball)...
In the second half, he was even better. Due to our defense not being able to get off the field on 3rd down, we only got the ball five times in the second half. He had one three and out but the other four drives led to two touchdowns and two FG attempts (one which was missed). Like him or not, Jalen Hurts won the Mississippi State game for us...
Don't understand why it's so hard for some folk to admit when Hurts did well...he had his moments...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:46 pm to John Milner
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Observation that the offensive coordinator, the guy he hired to run the offense, thought at least by November that would be Tua, is pertinent and relevant to the conversation. Has that been noted before? Absolutely.
The goal of the offensive coordinator is to run an efficient offense and score points. The goal of the head coach is to win the game. While compatible, the two goals are not synonymous.
In other words, I believe Saban would accept a less-dynamic offense, if in his mind it gives him a better chance to win the game.
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So I didn't say anything, and neither did you, that hasn't been said before. But we keep saying it, don't we. It mystifies you that we keep discussing it, but here you are, perpetuating the thread.
This is one of the most disingenuous statements made on message boards, about this or any other topic.
You and your ilk regularly raise these topics, even though a large portion of the audience has long since moved on and would be happy for these discussions to cease. When this is pointed out, though, you (and others) say "But you're perpetuating it by replying!"
Let's try an experiment: You, and CAbamafan, and Commander Data stop running Jalen Hurts into the ground, and let's see how much shorter these threads become. I bet they'd be cut in half, at least.
I'll put it plainly: You're attempting to create drama where none (or little) exists, in an apparent effort to make yourself feel better or prove some point. Which leads me to ask: Are you a 14-year-old girl?
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 8/9/18 at 2:57 pm to Sauron
You probably have more replies in this thread than I do.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:04 pm to BamaGradinTn
I don't agree with every decision Coach Saban makes, but I'm not going to question a man who has won 132 football games and five national championships since arriving in Tuscaloosa in January 2007.
I firmly believe the best player will start.
I firmly believe the best player will start.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:24 pm to RollTide1987
Here's the deal:
Brian Daboll wanted Jalen demoted early last November. I wanted him demoted earlier than that. Every fan on here saw the light after the Iron Bowl, yet Jalen remained the starter. Every insider, every reporter, and every player knows who the best QB is.
BUT yet, here we are 9 months later, and Saban still hasn't made the call. He apparently hasn't even talked to the QBs about it. Either one of two things is true.
1. Saban is completely ignorant when it comes to the QB position, and honestly still hasn't figured out what seemingly everyone else has
OR
2. Saban is afraid of upsetting Jalen.
That's it.
Brian Daboll wanted Jalen demoted early last November. I wanted him demoted earlier than that. Every fan on here saw the light after the Iron Bowl, yet Jalen remained the starter. Every insider, every reporter, and every player knows who the best QB is.
BUT yet, here we are 9 months later, and Saban still hasn't made the call. He apparently hasn't even talked to the QBs about it. Either one of two things is true.
1. Saban is completely ignorant when it comes to the QB position, and honestly still hasn't figured out what seemingly everyone else has
OR
2. Saban is afraid of upsetting Jalen.
That's it.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:26 pm to Commander Data
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You probably have more replies in this thread than I do
This is what you're reduced to? The third-grade retort "I know you are, but what am I?"
C'mon. Do you actually enjoy this type of discourse?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:38 pm to CAbamafan
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BUT yet, here we are 9 months later, and Saban still hasn't made the call. He apparently hasn't even talked to the QBs about it.
This will shock you, but Saban NEVER names starters until the season actually begins. If you don't believe me, go back and check. He's always said every job is open every year. You can whine and stamp your feet all you want, but it doesn't change facts.
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Either one of two things is true.
1. Saban is completely ignorant when it comes to the QB position, and honestly still hasn't figured out what seemingly everyone else has
OR
2. Saban is afraid of upsetting Jalen.
That's it.
Or ... and stay with me here ... maybe, JUUUUST maybe, he's got more information and knowledge about the situation (and what he wants from the quarterback, the offense, and the team as a whole) than you do, and he's making his decisions based on that.
You honestly think the most successful college football coach in the last 40 years is "completely ignorant when it comes to the QB position" or is "afraid of upsetting" a player?
I just don't understand the breadth of ignorance this viewpoint would entail.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:40 pm to CAbamafan
Here's a third option you haven't considered:
3. Saban is going to make an informed decision based on what he sees every day at practice and not what some random fan saw for 30 minutes in a national championship game.
3. Saban is going to make an informed decision based on what he sees every day at practice and not what some random fan saw for 30 minutes in a national championship game.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:49 pm to Sauron
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You honestly think the most successful college football coach in the last 40 years is "completely ignorant when it comes to the QB position" or is "afraid of upsetting" a player?
One of the two must be true. How else can you explain this bungled mess of a QB situation? Which, btw, spilled over into the media headlines last saturday. By any measure, this has been handled poorly.
As far as Saban never naming starters before the season, that's not true. He doesn't have an official depth cart, but he has working groups in practice (the 1s, the 2s, etc) Most players know where they are in the pecking order at all times.
But no, instead of putting our efforts behind Tua this fall, we're gonna be splitting reps 50/50, giving them equal snaps with the 1s, even if Jalen sucks arse.
Then, as many on here predict, Jalen will play vs. Louisville. If this happens, I'll be at a loss for words. Let's hope it doesn't.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:53 pm to CAbamafan
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One of the two must be true. How else can you explain this bungled mess of a QB situation?
Please explain to me how it has been bungled. Because of Jalen's comments to the press? Give me a break.
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But no, instead of putting our efforts behind Tua this fall, we're gonna be splitting reps 50/50, giving them equal snaps with the 1s, even if Jalen sucks arse.
So what happens if Tua goes down against Louisville? If we had it your way, Jalen wouldn't get any snaps at all and, as a result, we'd be up shite creek without a paddle because Jalen hadn't been practicing effectively.
Thank goodness you are not the coach.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:53 pm to CAbamafan
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Jalen will play vs. Louisville. If this happens, I'll be at a loss for words. Let's hope it doesn't.
I don't think you understand how to motivate people to subscribe to your views.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 3:59 pm to RollTide1987
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Please explain to me how it has been bungled. Because of Jalen's comments to the press?
Saban should've told Jalen he was entering the Spring as the second-team QB. End of story.
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 4:02 pm
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