re: Rumors about Milroe

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Yep. I sorta pointed out why. And noted pretty much everyone else is too.

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Actually, the 4 teams that can rival us on talent have not lost to teams they shouldn’t have. Your statement is completely false.

Losses by Oregon, OSU, UGA, and Texas:
At Oregon, at Bama, at Ole Miss, and home against UGA. All losses to top 15 teams.

Bama has 1 of those, and 2 road losses to unranked teams. Even Indiana and PSU have beaten the teams they were supposed to, and they have far less talent. But they don’t have laxed cultures.

Keep digging if you want to, but the evidence says you’re wrong.

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You’re still quoting things that literally have nothing to do with his current situation or what works in this new er

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You’re trying to create a fictional past and have to clue what works in this era. Don’t feel bad, apparently neither does anyone else.

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There’s lots of data to prove that laxed cultures don’t work long term, and lots of data to prove that coaches with significant winning records got chewed up in the SEC (see BK at LSU…had almost all your same stats or even better than DeBoer in terms of lower tier championships, very few losses per year at ND, and he actually outperformed in year 1 in SEC).

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Kelly? Oh please, Kelly at ND played pretty much the same schedule they do now. Might have 2 tough games a year, usually just one. His teams were undersized and had inferior talent. Unlike DeBoer he usually lost in top 10 matchups.

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DeBoer can beat those guys in a single game, especially with extra prep time, but the grind of beating talented teams 8 out of 12 weeks is different than beating 1-2 good teams.

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He beat 4 teams that finished in the top 11 last year. Thats not 1 or 2. More than we did btw.

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The coaches that have the best programs in the country right now don’t have laxed styles (OSU, UGA, Oregon, Texas). You’re right that we couldn’t hire any of those guys, but that doesn’t mean you go hire a coach with a style that has literally never been proven to work with elite talent in the SEC, and pay him $10million a year.

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You wanted Norvell. Got it. Or Lane, yeah that decision making process gives you confidence.

You don’t seem to have noticed to get a quality coach, and his record certainly reflects he is one, and best available I might add you have to pay the market rate.

Now you could have hired some assistant at 1/3 that, who may have done no better and might have done worse. Then the screaming that we passed on a good coach for that would get everyone fired. And spiral into the mikes years. It’s like you haven’t learned a thing from previous history.

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Argue the hypotheticals if you want, but the data is very definitive on how laxed coaching styles work out in the SEC. The only question is how laxed is it, and if he is able to evolve. I’m hopeful he can, but that usually doesn’t happen.

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I don’t think you have the least bit of a clue what “laxed” means.

He’s not Nick Saban. News flash, the closest thing to Nick is Kirby Smart and look what he’s had to deal with this year. There’s nobody else out there that we could get and say they’d do any better.

You got spoiled by success, and forgot what losing was like. If you ever knew. Nick quit for a reason, if you’re smart you’ll stop and take 5 minutes to think about why. Then realize why he left, and what he left is what our current coach has.

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Losing to Vandy and a run-only OK team is a bad look, and suggests a team that was “laxed.”

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Or it suggests we have a DC that can’t make in game adjustments. Is it because he can’t, or players can’t. Probably both. They look lost frequently out there. New coaches, new terminology, new signals almost certainly. I wanted throw my phone through the TV on 3rd and 1 were in a 3-3-5.

Now do you bench everyone, go 6-6 and have half the team hit the portal, not to mention have your recruiting class blow up (see LSU) because you hit some adversity and deep wallets raid you. No of course you don’t. Not can you run them till they puke for consistently making the same mistakes anymore. You were paying attention when I said teams have to recruit their own rosters? I simply repeated what Nick said, and he was right. Note that I am agreeing with you that is BAD. But it’s also not going to change anytime soon.

It’s a different environment out there now. How much different is going to be something we see shaped in directions I thing we’d completely agree are bad for the long term health of the game.

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but the truth is the only evidence we have at this point in the SEC is that DeBoers environment leads to losses to inferior teams.

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Show me a team in the SEC not named Texas who doesn’t have at least one loss to an inferior team.

If you expected a 10-2 or 9-3 team, and most did, you’re complaining about being right?

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Time will tell

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Yeah it will.

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You wanted Norvell. Got it. Or Lane, yeah that decision making process gives you confidence. You don’t seem to have noticed to get a quality coach, and his record certainly reflects he is one, and best available I might add you have to pay the market rate. Now you could have hired some assistant at 1/3 that, who may have done no better and might have done worse. Then the screaming that we passed on a good coach for that would get everyone fired. And spiral into the mikes years. It’s like you haven’t learned a thing from previous history.

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Nope, didn’t want either. Wanted the UGA DC.

Guess where the top 4 program’s coaches were before they took their current jobs? Assistants, literally every single one of them!! (Sark had prior head coaching experience, but I believe Lanning, Smart, and Day were 1st time head coaches).

You really should do more research before making blatantly false statements, over and over again. Recent history isn’t on your side, despite you trying to invoke it.

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The coaches that have the best programs in the country right now don’t have laxed styles (OSU, UGA, Oregon, Texas)

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Would you trade DeBoer for Ryan Day? Hell no.
Kirby has 2 losses. Should have three. Might very well end the season with 4.
Oregon is undefeated but does it matter if Lanning doesn't win it all? He's also in year 3. He's also whiffed 3 times vs DeBoer. He also is thriving because of the absolute destruction of west coast football. If you're a west coast guy out of highschool and want to stay west coast, what other program are you looking at other than Oregon? Imagine if the states of Georgia, Florida, Mississippi, and Lousiana all had losing football programs. Think it'd be easy or hard to recruit at BAMA? That's what Lanning has at UO. Lanning was 9-3 his first season.
Sark is in year 4. DeBoer has already out performed him in year 1 when Sark went 5-7. One more win and DeBoer will have won more than Sark did in his year 2 when he went 8-5.
Kirby is in year 9. He also went 8-5 his first season and lost to Vandy.

So and apples to oranges comparison of DeBoer in his first year at BAMA is on par with every coach you named except Day who went 12-0 his first season and didn't win the title.

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In the PAC12

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The same PAC12 and same team where Sark couldn't win?? THAT PAC12??

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So and apples to oranges comparison of DeBoer in his first year at BAMA

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Context is important. What culture did you take over for and what culture did you build? In the first year, that’s as important as wins and losses.

The culture DeBoer appears to be building seems a lot like Mark Richt’s. That may excite some of you, Mark Richt almost won a NC and would have if it wasn’t for Saban. Mark Richt won a lot of games. If you’re good with Mark Richt, you’ll probably like DeBoer and his culture.

I’d prefer a hard worker and someone who requires a high degree of accountability. I hope DeBoer realizes that’s what it takes to win the SEC and can level up. But the evidence in year 1 is that his style likely leads to bad losses in the SEC

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Y'all have made this board unreadable.

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My apologies, sir.

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’I’d prefer a hard worker and someone who requires a high degree of accountability.

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And that’s been the Alabama culture since the Bryant days. That’s what I mean when I say there’s a whole lot more moving parts to our deal than just W’s and L’s.

I absolutely want to see those two things, always. I just think there can be different ways of getting there, and given the changed landscape of the sport getting there in different ways might be a necessity.

He better. I'll say again, the key is him understanding there are 8 games on the SEC schedule and he has to have his team ready for all 8 games because there will never be any expectation of gimmes among those 8 games. When he understands that ... and I don't think he did ... one would hope he'd bear down.