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re: Roger Shultz on the BAMA offense
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:44 am to NWLA_Bama
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:44 am to NWLA_Bama
If it weren't for the fact that they're going to have Thomas back and we couldn't block #44 anyway in November, I'd suggest that we play more wide splits at receiver using 11 personnel with the TE often playing X or H.
The idea being that we spread them out from sideline to sideline and try to hit them with runs with a light box on some obvious passing downs for us by our normal 1st and 10 tendencies.
However, I do not think we can protect well enough against their two pass rushers off the edge to even barely make a passing game viable with 5 man protect and only 1 chip.
The idea being that we spread them out from sideline to sideline and try to hit them with runs with a light box on some obvious passing downs for us by our normal 1st and 10 tendencies.
However, I do not think we can protect well enough against their two pass rushers off the edge to even barely make a passing game viable with 5 man protect and only 1 chip.
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Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:55 am to bamaguy17
We can’t block 1v1
Boom.... it all ends right there.
Boom.... it all ends right there.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 8:56 am to bamaguy17
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Usually you do that when your line is trash. We can’t block 1v1, too slow for zone.
I don't know that I believe Roberts and Dewberry couldn't block 1v1 inside if they were going downhill consistently instead of being asked to play in space. Don't hesitate. They're playing on their heels. Line up and smash someone in the A gap and tell your 240lb running back if he doesn't get into that seam his arse will be on a bus to Southern Miss right after he finishes showering that night.
And as far as the run scheme mechanics how does bunch tight help anything?
Heupel doesn't have elite OL's but he spreads the defense horizontally forcing the linebackers to defend in space and the corners/nickel guy to defend all the way to the sideline which allows the interior run game to operate with space and facing reduced defender numbers. You're manufacturing run lanes.
You can still run four yard crossers and slants if you're worried about pressure while getting your receivers on the field at a time when our available TE's look like they should still be getting ready for prom or something.
I just don't see how bringing three wide receivers who cant set an edge to save their life and have zero realistic chance of sealing a run lane against a safety into the box helps anyone but the DC when the safeties dont have to respect the deep passing game.
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 9:24 am
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:00 am to TideCPA
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They could use an Oats approach in a number of phases. How many times do we see Ty attempt a field side boundary throw to pick up a 1st down on short yardage? That's a 36-yard pass. The math isn't there on the risk/reward.
Oats is a fantastic coach and his math background legitimately is a big reason why.
Deboer does a good job of going for it on 4th down when the conventional wisdom (but not math) says not to. I think a lot of the 4th down calls are great. Lots of motion and things to the defense can't just fire forward.
Seems like 1st-3rd downs aren't nearly as effective.
We average 3.56 yards per rush.
3.87 on 1st down
3.09 on 2nd down
3.49 on 3rd down
3.58 on 4th down
We average 65% completion on passes and a 149 Qb rating w/ a 30/5 TD/INT ratio
70%, 158, 10/3 on 1st down
66%, 144, 8/0 on 2nd down
56%, 141, 9/1 on 3rd down
61%, 150, 3/1 on 4th down
Maybe these don't mean anything, but it feels like with all the braniac stuff the offense does they don't do a good job on 2nd and 3rd down.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:04 am to tide06
Auburn showed what creating space can do for your offense. They had guy after guy wide open.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:16 am to tide06
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just don't see how bringing three wide receivers who cant set an edge to save their life and have zero realistic chance of sealing a run lane against a safety into the box helps anyone but the DC
Yep. We call plays like the extra blockers we're bringing in to help the OL are guys like Mike Williams and Julio Jones who can put a linebacker on skates when it's actually Ryan Williams and some freshman TEs who get ragdolled by a fricking safety.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:18 am to Robot Santa
#81 is suck a wimp. He plays in slow motion. We need #87 on every down right now. The guy is a mash unit it appears.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:22 am to BFANLC
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Auburn showed what creating space can do for your offense. They had guy after guy wide open.
We didn't?
This concept that a QB at Alabama can only produce if given at least 5 seconds in the pocket is asinine.
He could literally do a 3-step drop and beat them over the top if they want to crowd the box. He refuses to throw those though.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:26 am to YStar
It's very simple.
To make teams stop blitzing our QB needs to be able to make short drop step deep ball passes. That is the only way to get teams to back out of the box those first two downs.
We have ran WR/RB screens, combos, misdirection, etc... and while some are successful many aren't because they are sitting on top of everything. There is no space!!
This entire thing is about defending the indefensible.
If Ty tomorrow started taking those deep shots magically our offense would look better because defenses would have to guard for it, space would open and magically you guys would say Ty is "healed" and Grubb "isn't so bad".
To make teams stop blitzing our QB needs to be able to make short drop step deep ball passes. That is the only way to get teams to back out of the box those first two downs.
We have ran WR/RB screens, combos, misdirection, etc... and while some are successful many aren't because they are sitting on top of everything. There is no space!!
This entire thing is about defending the indefensible.
If Ty tomorrow started taking those deep shots magically our offense would look better because defenses would have to guard for it, space would open and magically you guys would say Ty is "healed" and Grubb "isn't so bad".
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:35 am to Diego Ricardo
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However, I do not think we can protect well enough against their two pass rushers off the edge to even barely make a passing game viable with 5 man protect and only 1 chip.
I agree we will have to rely on quick routes because with Thomas we are going to have hell to pay on the edges, but if we're gonna bring in guys to help with that why the hell aren't we bringing in some actual blockers instead of Isaiah Horton and RW?
Danny Lewis would actually be huge for this game, but if we cant have him get another tackle or GVD at TE/FB out there like we did when the RT melted down under Saban/BOB and have them put a damn block on someone.
Bringing in a receiver to play pattycake with a 240 edge guy reduces how many routes they have to defend while also having zero tangible blocking advantage and brings at least one guy if not an additional safety into the box. If you're gonna max protect you damn well better get some actual protection out of it.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:42 am to tide06
I sympathize with our staff to some degree because what we've got has few options for becoming something viable against quality competition.
However, I'd still argue it is on them. They had to know that this team wasn't capable of dropping back 40 times a game. They needed to have a run scheme just good enough that they keep the number of drop backs in 20s. Our run scheme and execution is so poor, I'm not talking about becoming the 2008-2012 offenses. I'm talking about being able to run for triple-digits against quality competition.
I don't think people realize how many games we would have won going away or not lost outright if we simply could have put some team rushing total in the low-to-mid 100s on the opponent.
However, I'd still argue it is on them. They had to know that this team wasn't capable of dropping back 40 times a game. They needed to have a run scheme just good enough that they keep the number of drop backs in 20s. Our run scheme and execution is so poor, I'm not talking about becoming the 2008-2012 offenses. I'm talking about being able to run for triple-digits against quality competition.
I don't think people realize how many games we would have won going away or not lost outright if we simply could have put some team rushing total in the low-to-mid 100s on the opponent.
This post was edited on 12/9/25 at 9:46 am
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:49 am to Diego Ricardo
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They had to know that this team wasn't capable of dropping back 40 times a game.
Midseason Bama with healthy non headcase Ty was. We were FEI top 5 on offense with a run game in the mid 80s.
We were eviscerating top 25 teams with top 15 defenses without even having to throw deep. My hope at the time was that was our last 25% of the playbook we were saving to win games down the stretch, turns out we were just bad at it.
We can absolutely compete with anyone as long as we're elite in that phase of the game.
Problem is now we suck at even the short/intermediate passes which means we basically suck at everything offensively which is a really good way to lose against really good teams.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:49 am to tide06
We don't have one receiver that can block 2,5,11,17 and 1 don't give the effort.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:51 am to Diego Ricardo
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However, I'd still argue it is on them. They had to know that this team wasn't capable of dropping back 40 times a game. They needed to have a run scheme just good enough that they keep the number of drop backs in 20s. Our run scheme and execution is so poor, I'm not talking about becoming the 2008-2012 offenses. I'm talking about being able to run for triple-digits against quality competition.
This plus infinity. I’ve said repeatedly we have got to run the ball more effectively. I just have no patience with the people who have shown up out of nowhere, alters or not, when things are down actually advocating returning to the 2018-20 offense.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:54 am to Diego Ricardo
Alabama has 1 run over 30 yards. The only team worse than that is Southern Miss.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 9:55 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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We don't have one receiver that can block 2,5,11,17 and 1 don't give the effort.
Which is why when Shephard left for Oregon State I wasnt exactly heartbroken.
He might be a great overall coach and recruiter but I'm not seeing much to be excited about as far as blocking, avoiding blocks and I suspect but don't know for sure that we've had some guys not giving full effort at that position group at times.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 10:04 am to tide06
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Bringing in a receiver to play pattycake with a 240 edge guy
Put Sanders out there with a TE #.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 10:06 am to tide06
Hopefully he will hire Grubb as his OC. Like Seattle did. One and done.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 10:23 am to TideCPA
On the 4th down play at our 12 yard line you could tell that our head coach was pissed off at the long pass straight across to the other sideline.
Our big problem is the Oline. Plus vs Ga we had the slow third string running back and the freshmen tight ends. I read an article that we had the crippled center and a third string lineman playing most of the game and I think another starter out vs Ga. Our head coach said our center should be 100% or close vs Oklahoma and he said that alone will make a big difference.
But the Oklahoma coach said it doesnt matter if Alabama can run the ball on them. The only thing that matters is the final score. He wasnt worried about it.
Our big problem is the Oline. Plus vs Ga we had the slow third string running back and the freshmen tight ends. I read an article that we had the crippled center and a third string lineman playing most of the game and I think another starter out vs Ga. Our head coach said our center should be 100% or close vs Oklahoma and he said that alone will make a big difference.
But the Oklahoma coach said it doesnt matter if Alabama can run the ball on them. The only thing that matters is the final score. He wasnt worried about it.
Posted on 12/9/25 at 10:35 am to IB4bama
McElroy said on Jox this morning that this year our running backs average 1 yard before contact. One freaking yard And we know those running backs dont get yac. So per Gmac, we run on first dn for 1 yard. Run on second for 1 yard. 3rd and 8, Ty faces 8 or 9 people back.
We had a fullback playing running back vs Ga, and we run these slow, qb runs back to the fullback while he stands there, hand him the ball and we get one yard.
We had a fullback playing running back vs Ga, and we run these slow, qb runs back to the fullback while he stands there, hand him the ball and we get one yard.
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