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re: Pre Saban/McCarron quarterback thread

Posted on 3/3/13 at 9:57 am to
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 9:57 am to
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Put Croyle on those early nineties teams and Barker on those mid aughts teams and what happens


Our championship drought lasts into the new millennium
Posted by Wrenchruh
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 10:18 am to
Right on.
Posted by Grievous Angel
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 12:10 pm to
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Our championship drought lasts into the new millennium


Did you watch the '92 championship game? Even a bad QB can throw 2 picks and hand the ball off.

And that's all he did.

Croyle was a better QB. It was a legit question. The only caveat is that Stallings liked it conservative so I don't think Croyle would have thrown as much.

Posted by harmonics
Mars Hotel
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 4:28 pm to
Later in his career, Jay Barker was clutch when the game was on the line. He lead a few masterful game winning drives in 1994. Mississippi State and the Citrus Bowl vs Ohio State stand out. His TD pass to Sherman Williams was very similar to Yeldon/LSU.
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 8:44 pm to
I was too young to remember but just hearing about Jay and watching games, I think him and McElroy were very similar in their roles.

They both had terrible stats in the NC games.
Posted by CrimsonFlounder
Gulf Coast
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 9:35 pm to
Barker was a very solid QB with a bigger arm than GMac. He was clutch in big games unlike Croyle.
Posted by mattloc
Alabama
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Posted on 3/3/13 at 9:42 pm to
Shula was a disappointment as a coach, but he took the job when mike Riley and others refused. I vaguely remember his years at qb. He was solid and a credit to the university. Hope he will come back around one day as AD.
Posted by harmonics
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 2:28 am to
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Hope he will come back around one day as AD.


Posted by thefloydian
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:23 am to
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Did you watch the '92 championship game? Even a bad QB can throw 2 picks and hand the ball off.

And that's all he did.

Croyle was a better QB. It was a legit question. The only caveat is that Stallings liked it conservative so I don't think Croyle would have thrown as much.






Yeah, I'm not the biggest Croyle fan, but he couldn't really have been any worse than Barker was in that game.

Which makes the rest of that team all the more impressive.
Posted by thefloydian
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:24 am to
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Shula was a disappointment as a coach, but he took the job when mike Riley and others refused. I vaguely remember his years at qb. He was solid and a credit to the university. Hope he will come back around one day as AD.


Yeah, I respect Shula for taking over the program when it wasn't a very hot commodity.
Posted by VirgilCaine
Orchard Park
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 9:34 am to
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Shula was a disappointment as a coach, but he took the job when mike Riley and others refused.


True.

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Hope he will come back around one day as AD


Posted by jddawg58
Saban Nation
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 1:38 pm to
The only caveat is that Stallings liked it conservative so I don't think Croyle would have thrown as much.


Stallings was interviewed about the championship year of 1992 and why what was perceived as an above average Tide won it all. He responded," We were blessed with a QB who could not throw very well, so we relied on running the ball and playing great defense."

I think he was right. That combination made for close and excitng games but that defensive line (Curry, Copeland and NG Robert Stewart) were sick.

Best IMO Bama has ever fielded including the Saban era.
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 1:52 pm
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:05 pm to
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Did you watch the '92 championship game?


From the 30 yd line. And then about 10 more times when I got back home.

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Even a bad QB can throw 2 picks and hand the ball off.
And that's all he did. Croyle was a better QB.

Sure Brody was a better passer. But even as a senior he didnt have the heart and leadership it took to beat Tennessee by a touchdown in Neyland or the Gators by a point in the first ever SECCG, much less as a sophomore.

quote:

It was a legit question

And I gave a legit answer
Posted by harmonics
Mars Hotel
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 3/5/13 at 4:43 am to
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Sure Brody was a better passer. But even as a senior he didnt have the heart and leadership


Dude, Brodie did what he could with what most consider to be one of Alabama's worst offensive lines in the last 20 years. Did you watch the Iron Bowl that year? Tom Brady wouldn't have had a chance behind that group of matadors.
Posted by Wrenchruh
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Posted on 3/6/13 at 1:30 am to
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Tom Brady wouldn't have had a chance behind that group of matadors.


And let's not forget the true genius of the play calling those years. Darby up the middle six plays in a row with the seventh being a play-action nine route, which if it wasn't to Prothro, would be overthrown by five yards.
Posted by Swm323
Pace,FL
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 3/6/13 at 3:41 pm to
Barker was clutch his senior year. We won games because of him. Brodie had all the tools. He just came along at the wrong time. I have no doubt he could be doing what McCarron is doing now. And I am a huge McCarron fan.
Posted by harmonics
Mars Hotel
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 3/7/13 at 5:30 am to
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Brodie had all the tools. He just came along at the wrong time.


I agree. I think if Croyle plays for Saban the sky is the limit. Saban would have pushed him much like he has McCarron.
This post was edited on 3/7/13 at 5:31 am
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
8128 posts
Posted on 3/7/13 at 7:56 pm to
Jay Barker didn't always have the greatest stat line but he was a WINNER. Pure and simple. I haven't played football since 6th grade but probably could have led the 1992 team to a championship with that defense which I think could match up with anything from the Saban era. But Barker was around for a couple years after that when Bama didn't have an all world defense. The D was still solid but nowhere near the level of 1992. Were it not for the ascendancy of Spurrier's Gators, Bama could very well have been playing for another title with Barker at the helm.
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