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Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:45 pm to elposter
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:45 pm to elposter
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I'd go to Smart with a $1.5 million signing bonus check and tell him 1/2 for you, 1/2 for your VCU buyout. And whatever Texas is offering a year, add 200k to it. Offer good for 48 hours, let us know as soon as posssible.
The bonus is only 500k if they did a home and home series. And I say add 500k to it. Even if they have to match, it'd be sweet revenge for trying to steal Saban.
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Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:53 pm to FairhopeTider
no it didnt burn him. MM took a lot of time with NS and it worked out. BB did same thing with Marshall and it did not. He probably knew his #2 was a stand by should 1 fall through. But to say he got burned just shows me you dont know chit
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:54 pm to elposter
Alabama ranked #16 most valuable basketball teams by the Wall Street Journal Wall Street Journal. First #14 for Forbes and now #16 for the WSJ. And why can't we get a top coach? 
Posted on 4/2/15 at 12:59 pm to Gongora
I'd put feelers out for Chris Mack...he's coached under Sean Miller and has led Xavier to 5 NCAA appearances and 3 Sweet 16s in his 6 years there...
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:07 pm to mrbroker
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no it didnt burn him. MM took a lot of time with NS and it worked out. BB did same thing with Marshall and it did not. He probably knew his #2 was a stand by should 1 fall through. But to say he got burned just shows me you dont know chit
Mal took a lot of time with Saban because Saban was still coaching. Notice that as soon as the Dolphins' season was over, the public courtship between Alabama-Saban happened very quickly. Everything was worked out ahead of time behind the scenes. Mal flying down there and such was a formality. Saban was making more money so it wasn't a ploy to get a raise. This situation is nothing like that. Negotiations between Battle and Marshall didn't start until Monday. We waited around for two weeks, meanwhile other programs made good hires.
If you're going to go all-in on a coach at the risk of ignoring others, then you better land your target. Especially when the entire country knows you're throwing a crazy amount of money at the guy. Battle got burned by Marshall because he either was lied to by Marshall the entire time or flipped at the last moment.
If we have a #2 on standby, I hope its someone that made firing Grant and ignoring guys like Howland worth it. Would love for Battle to prove me wrong and roll out a badass at any moment.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:08 pm to OldPete
Miller ,Mack or Jacobson
I dont think Battle got swindled ....it seems to me Gregg was planning on being our next coach but WSU ponied up and made it worth staying.
I dont think Battle got swindled ....it seems to me Gregg was planning on being our next coach but WSU ponied up and made it worth staying.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:15 pm to JBearden
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Miller ,Mack or Jacobson
I dont think Battle got swindled ....it seems to me Gregg was planning on being our next coach but WSU ponied up and made it worth staying.
I'd agree with all of that.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 1:20 pm to pvilleguru
Mack's coaching at his alma mater. So it'll be hard to pull him away, even with the money we'd offer.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:35 pm to CCTider
What do you guys think about getting Avery Johnson? I was reading on another forum that he showed "interest" in the job.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:44 pm to Chad44
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I was reading on another forum that he showed "interest" in the job.
I don't think it would ever happen, but I wouldn't be against it.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:44 pm to Chad44
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What do you guys think about getting Avery Johnson? I was reading on another forum that he showed "interest" in the job.
I keep hearing him mentioned. Sounds very unlikely to me. Plus, he has a funny voice.
But, I only remember him as a player. I'd stopped watching the NBA by the time he got into coaching. Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:49 pm to JBearden
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Miller, Mack or Jacobson
I'd be happy with any of those 3...my only worry 'bout Miller is that, if he had success, I don't think he'd stay very long as I think he has ultimate aspirations for one of the trademark programs...we'd need to make his buyout prohibitive...Mack or Jacobson might see this more as a destination job, but I think Miller might view it more as a stepping-stone...
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What do you guys think about getting Avery Johnson?
Didn't know he was interested. Would be some good PR getting a successful NBA coach...but I'd like to get a coach who'd be here for the long haul and I'm thinkin' if he took the job, he'd take it lookin' to get back to the NBA...
Posted on 4/2/15 at 2:56 pm to OldPete
Honestly I'd be fine if we have a coach who took this job as a "stepping stone" type job to get to the NBA or a blue blood job. Think about it- if he succeeds in 5-6 years and makes that step it'd be a hell of a run and put us in better position to sign a (another) top tier coach at that time.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:09 pm to train1523
Honestly, I think we need a few "stepping stone" coaches to get our program back on track.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:10 pm to train1523
I'd be cool with that as long as we put the things in place that would be attractive to the next guy. We just need someone who can improve our perception.
Of course if that day comes where UNC, Duke comes calling, I'd like to think we could match any offer.
Of course if that day comes where UNC, Duke comes calling, I'd like to think we could match any offer.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:21 pm to FairhopeTider
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Of course if that day comes where UNC, Duke comes calling, I'd like to think we could match any offer.
While I think we could match any offer, no way we could match their tradition...and from what we learned in this coaching search thus far, money ain't always the deciding factor...
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:45 pm to FairhopeTider
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I'd be cool with that as long as we put the things in place that would be attractive to the next guy. We just need someone who can improve our perception.
Of course if that day comes where UNC, Duke comes calling, I'd like to think we could match any offer.
What's missing is a long-term strategic vision for the baskeball program. The firing of Grant seemed sort of knee jerk, last minute...they should have been planning their next move far in advance. We put an outstanding offer on the table for Marshall but seemed to miss the fact that he wasn't particularly interested in a turnaround project like Bama despite the money and resources that he would get at an elite basketball program.
We whiffed on this deal and I am not going to cry about it...but we need to be thinking a couple of steps ahead as to how we get to elite status. This includes a vision for a new stadium and ensuring that resources are there for any coach similar to what say a Kentucky would provide. If we do that and a decent coach can at least get us further along, then the next hire is where we make our move to an elite tier assuming the new coach leaves or gets fired in 4-5 years.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:54 pm to imjustafatkid
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Posted by imjustafatkid Honestly, I think we need a few "stepping stone" coaches to get our program back on track.
100% agree. The coaching landscape is super difficult to manage right now because seemingly Indiana, Duke, UNC, and Kentucky will open up in the next 3-8 years.
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:55 pm to 14&Counting
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What's missing is a long-term strategic vision for the baskeball program. The firing of Grant seemed sort of knee jerk, last minute...they should have been planning their next move far in advance.
Great point. We had all hoped that Battle had spent the last year preparing for the likely chance that Grant would have to be fired. That obviously didn't happen. We were going to keep him until external factors took over.
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seemed to miss the fact that he wasn't particularly interested in a turnaround project like Bama despite the money and resources that he would get at an elite basketball program.
Agree. Marshall didn't want to gamble his reputation, career, and happiness on making a big turnaround. Even though we sold him on letting him become a pioneer for UA Basketball, he didn't think the move was worth it. However, I argue that not every bigtime, elite, blue blood job opening will be a rosey picture. Coaches rarely leave/retire when they are on top and the program is rolling. More often than not, that job will require some turnaround work.
But yeah, we need to quit being reactive in basketball and start being proactive.
This post was edited on 4/2/15 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 4/2/15 at 3:57 pm to FairhopeTider
I think Marshall was sold on it. I don't think his family was.
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