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re: Possibilities if Tua plays vs Clemson
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:18 am to Teague
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:18 am to Teague
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OK, but I'm also telling it to the people that use wins and losses to prop up Hurts. And, that's the discussion here, not McElroy and Sims.
Okay back to stats then, if that's what you want to talk about. AJ McCarron produced 5,549 yards of offense in his first 2 years as a starting QB. Jalen? 6,507. I realize his detractors don't want to include his rushing yards into whether or not he's a good QB, but it's pretty hard to not include when he has 1,722 of them.
For the record, I'm not saying Tua won't be better, but the Jalen bashing has gotten ridiculous.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 11:19 am
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:27 am to Bamafan15
"Hey Tua, I know you've barely played this season. You apparently weren't good enough in practice to be trusted in games against LSU or Texas A&M or Auburn. Get on out there and beat Clemson, would you?"
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:28 am to Goombaw
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Alabama was very fortunate that a lot of the teams we played weren't very good offensively. When I look ahead at the offense(s) we'll be up against in the playoffs, I don't see them missing the opportunities that LSU and MSU did.
Exactly. The Mississippi State game was a defensive issue, not offensive. But after the game do we talk about the defense? No, it's all about the offense which blew my mind. Nobody ever wants to talk about the defense ever being bad. This is my point.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:38 am to Bham Bammer
That won't be his role, anyone who thinks that probably has lost touch. Will he get in for a mix up. Likely.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 11:52 am to CrimsonBoz
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That won't be his role, anyone who thinks that probably has lost touch. Will he get in for a mix up. Likely.
I'm saying that's what a lot of people in this thread want for his role to be.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:12 pm to BigBird09
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Okay back to stats then
When did I mention stats?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:17 pm to BigBird09
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AJ McCarron produced 5,549 yards of offense in his first 2 years as a starting QB. Jalen? 6,507. I realize his detractors don't want to include his rushing yards into whether or not he's a good QB, but it's pretty hard to not include when he has 1,722 of them.
For every carry that Hurts gets, that is one less carry for Harris and Jacobs. I’m not a fan of a quarterback being a one man show when we have talent all over the field. The QBs primary job is to get the ball to the playmakers, not be the one man show. It’s much easier to stop a one man show, as Auburn demonstrated.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 12:55 pm to BigBird09
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I realize his detractors don't want to include his rushing yards into whether or not he's a good QB
Because they don't matter to his skills as a QB. His rushing yards have nothing to do with his accuracy, touch...etc.
In fact, he gets better opportunities as a passer than most, because of his legs, and he still shits the bed as a QB.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:46 pm to BigBird09
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When y'all stop acting like he's the only reason we're losing these games.
The OL’s inconsistency and play calling (lack of RB runs) have been brought up as all.
He’s not the only reason but he’s one of the bigger reasons.
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It's also annoying when people associate them with losing.
Because in both those losses he did nothing outside of one play each. The whole point of this argument is can Hurts do enough to beat Clemson. I don’t know if he can. And it’s not just that game. Even in the big games we won (LSU, UF, Washington etc.) he did a nothing as a passer. This year, yes he looked great against LSU and MSU but went right back to being the same QB against AU. Again not all his fault but some of the blame goes on him.
I’m been supporting Hurts all season but he does seem to have obvious limitations as a passer. If he was even an average passer against Clemson we would’ve beat them last year. I just hope the coaches don’t make him try to carry the offense again.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:05 pm to 1BamaRTR
Hurts is not the reason we have won all these games the last 2 years. He can hardly complete a pass more than 5 yards past the Los unless the receiver is wide arse open. The staff has had to way over simplify the reads and even though he only makes one read if Ridley hasn't beaten his man badly he takes off or takes a sack. He isn't just a below average passer, he is quite bad at it. If he starts and he probably will, our only chance to win is to hope we run the ball successfully and really shut their offense down. Anybody that thinks or has confidence in winning this game behind the arm of Jalen Hurts is either dumb as frick or a the most extreme kind of homer or both. How many games will it take for folks to see it? Lots of us noticed it last year. He doesn't just suck against elite defenses just google his stats against the average ones the last 2 years and take into consideration that most.of his passes are thrown within a few yards of the line of scrimmage. He is an athlete. Tua is a quarterback. Big difference.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 2:31 pm to Commander Data
Although I don't disagree with everything you said, Hurts is the reason we beat MSU. He put the ball on the money most of the night and a lot of times into some very tight windows.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:23 pm to Swm323
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Hurts is the reason we beat MSU. He put the ball on the money most of the night and a lot of times into some very tight windows.
He barely.completed 50% of his passes and didn't do much of anything until the last drive. The last drive he had a few wide open guys and he is money when they are wide open. I hate it but the Hurts era should have already winded down especially when you have a 5 star phenom on the bench who is a true dual threat.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:38 pm to Commander Data
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he last drive he had a few wide open guys and he is money when they are wide open.
No offense but he's not always accurate even when they're wide open. Sometime yes, sometimes no. He reminds me of the Auburn qb that beat us in 2013, though Hurts is a better runner and the other guy appeared to be a better passer, what little I watched him.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:41 pm to Commander Data
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:53 pm to BigBird09
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Okay back to stats then, if that's what you want to talk about. AJ McCarron produced 5,549 yards of offense in his first 2 years as a starting QB. Jalen? 6,507. I realize his detractors don't want to include his rushing yards into whether or not he's a good QB, but it's pretty hard to not include when he has 1,722 of them.
For the record, I'm not saying Tua won't be better, but the Jalen bashing has gotten ridiculous.
Stats mean nothing if you can't convert first downs on third down. What's his first down percentage over the past 4 games?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 6:55 pm to oneusairman
So are the people in favor of playing Hurts saying they don't want to see Tua at all in the semi? Regardless of score or Jalen's performance?
I'm just trying to figure out what the argument is about.
I'm just trying to figure out what the argument is about.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 7:06 pm to River_City_Tider
I think if Tua is going to have a role as Boz says then that could be a good thing, but it could also be a bad thing. What's the role? Does it make some of the team feel like Jalen is getting screwed? Is it too much pressure to put on a true freshman who has been the backup all season to ask him to come in and win it all, depending on the importance of the role?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 7:07 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Honestly what’s if it’s just him replacing Scott as the FG holder?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:18 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
At minimum it gives Clemson something to think about and maybe gets us out of an offensive slump.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 8:49 pm to RollDatRoll
Go jack off in a corner Louis
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