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re: (OT) Does anyone in Bham area have experience going to a school in different district?
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:47 pm to cdur86
Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:47 pm to cdur86
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Good luck with the desegregation case. It has completely ruined Huntsville City Schools just 1.5 hours north of you. The amount of people trying to get into Private School up here is astounding and there are not enough to accept them all. We are pouncing on it the minute we are allowed to get on the waitlist
Fortunately for people in this area, there are school systems nearby that have gotten out from under the desegregation case. If push comes to shove, we'll simply move (as will everyone else who values education).
Hoover could absolutely get out from under the case but apparently we don't have the balls to do it.
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Posted on 6/1/23 at 3:51 pm to imjustafatkid
Fortunately for people in this area, there are school systems nearby that have gotten out from under the desegregation case. If push comes to shove, we'll simply move (as will everyone else who values education).
Yeah it is similar here as well. People just move to Madison as they have a fantastic school system. I like the idea of a private Catholic/Christian school for my kids so that is why were are staying put
Yeah it is similar here as well. People just move to Madison as they have a fantastic school system. I like the idea of a private Catholic/Christian school for my kids so that is why were are staying put
Posted on 6/2/23 at 7:31 am to imjustafatkid
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The desegregation case from decades ago that somehow was determined to relate to a school system that didn't exist at that time is driving at least some of this. I'd pay more in taxes if they would simply stop complying and force the judge to rule so they could begin the appeals process.
what is this about?
Posted on 6/2/23 at 12:06 pm to imjustafatkid
When you drop by the Alabama football board only to find Y'all-Qaeda complaining about desegregation laws
Posted on 6/2/23 at 1:15 pm to Fells
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When you drop by the Alabama football board only to find Y'all-Qaeda complaining about desegregation laws
Spoken like someone who clearly has no idea what he's talking about. The case has nothing to do with desegregation whatsoever at this point and is just a way for leftist judges and the NAACP to exert control over local school systems. That case and teachers unions are the worst things currently happening to education in Alabama. You should try to educate yourself about it before you make a fool of yourself further.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:19 pm to imjustafatkid
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You should try to educate yourself about it before you make a fool of yourself further.
If the guy against desegregation laws thinks I'm a fool then I'm feeling pretty comfortable with where I stand. Thay being said, I am pretty familiar with the white flight of BHM and its suburbs, Hoover specifically. quote:
and is just a way for leftist judges and the NAACP to exert control over local school systems.
Probably what your daddy said when he was protesting desegregation as it was happening.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:55 pm to Fells
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against desegregation laws
Try again. Although there is definitely strong evidence that the way desegregation was implemented (like busing) did more harm than good.
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feeling pretty comfortable with where I stand.
This is common among the ignorant.
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white flight
No such thing. People are free to move wherever they wish in this country. The implication that a segment of the population should not be allowed to do this due to immutable characteristics is bigoted.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:05 pm to imjustafatkid
"I'm not anti-desgregation, I just actively oppose desegregation laws in an attempt to remove diversity and inclusion (brown people) from my school district, which is known for being a central hub for people who fled Birmingham after segregation so they could avoid being around said brown people"
Essentially, you just want to create/perpetuate de-facto segregation in Hoover because you don't like how so many brown have moved there, which is mind blowing considering that they are responsible for all the good food in Hoover/Lorna Rd. Literally the only part of culture worth anything there.
The thing that I don't understand is why you have to be such a huge pussy to yourself and everyone. Just own it bro. You hate brown people, you hate gays, you hate poor people, you hate anyone left of McCarthy. You don't need to cover it up and pretend that you aren't a bigot, and frankly you aren't doing a good job of that to anyone but maybe yourself (though I have a feeling that you occasionally have to recognize the conflict of living your entire life out of hate while simultaneously trying to convince yourself that Jesus wouldn't think that you are the problem).
You can pretend that white flight isn't real as you participate in its continuation but the reality is that this is (and has always been) a class problem disguised as a race problem. You think middle class white people in Hoover are the only ones who want their kids to have a fair shot at a quality education? Poor people are going to follow everywhere these NIMBY white people try to flee to because yall are chasing the same thing and its a lot easier to get your kids into Hoover High than it is to completely remove the systemic forces that contribute the continuation of poor minority areas and build enough wealth in a community to fund top tier schools through property taxes.
Your play is dumb, your perpetuation of racism is abhorrent and your perspective of the world is as shortsighted as people would expect, considering that you're a culturless white blob who has to hate everyone who is different from him to gain any sense of pride and self respect since you can't actually earn those things for yourself.
Essentially, you just want to create/perpetuate de-facto segregation in Hoover because you don't like how so many brown have moved there, which is mind blowing considering that they are responsible for all the good food in Hoover/Lorna Rd. Literally the only part of culture worth anything there.
The thing that I don't understand is why you have to be such a huge pussy to yourself and everyone. Just own it bro. You hate brown people, you hate gays, you hate poor people, you hate anyone left of McCarthy. You don't need to cover it up and pretend that you aren't a bigot, and frankly you aren't doing a good job of that to anyone but maybe yourself (though I have a feeling that you occasionally have to recognize the conflict of living your entire life out of hate while simultaneously trying to convince yourself that Jesus wouldn't think that you are the problem).
You can pretend that white flight isn't real as you participate in its continuation but the reality is that this is (and has always been) a class problem disguised as a race problem. You think middle class white people in Hoover are the only ones who want their kids to have a fair shot at a quality education? Poor people are going to follow everywhere these NIMBY white people try to flee to because yall are chasing the same thing and its a lot easier to get your kids into Hoover High than it is to completely remove the systemic forces that contribute the continuation of poor minority areas and build enough wealth in a community to fund top tier schools through property taxes.
Your play is dumb, your perpetuation of racism is abhorrent and your perspective of the world is as shortsighted as people would expect, considering that you're a culturless white blob who has to hate everyone who is different from him to gain any sense of pride and self respect since you can't actually earn those things for yourself.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:42 pm to Fells
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I just actively oppose desegregation laws
Not once have I opposed desegregation laws. You can keep saying it, and it will still not be true. I'm not going to argue for a position I've never held. The rest of your post is just pure nonsense based on the flawed idea that I support segregation. I'd have never moved to Hoover in the first place if I wanted my kids to be segregated. It is one of the most diverse populations in the state. I could have simply moved 10 minutes down the road if I wanted to live in a segregated community. You have to frame your argument this way because you simply cannot debate the actual problems that result from your ideology infecting public schools.
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systemic forces that contribute the continuation of poor minority areas
What a load of crap. Birmingham City Schools has far more money than Hoover City Schools. They pay their teachers more than any other system in the state. Money ain't the reason for the failures of that system. If there are "systemic forces" that are working against poor minorities, then I hate to break it to you but those "systemic forces" are all controlled by other minorities. Maybe morons like you should start listening to people like me who created actually functioning school systems instead of trying to force the flawed ideas that lead to systems like Birmingham's being absolute failures.
Until you fools wake up, "white flight" (which will include all people who want their kids to have an actual education instead of indoctrination) will continue to happen as we keep moving away and creating better school systems. Unfortunately for you though, there are now plenty of places to go where this nonsensical "desegregation" case no longer holds sway.
ETA: As is usual, you're way out of your league here. You have no idea what you're talking about at all, but here you are spouting the same absolute garbage nonsense that leads to school system failures throughout the country. No one has to stick around and watch your ideas destroy their school system, and absolutely no one who can afford to would keep their kids in such a situation, regardless of their heritage. One day you need to wake up and realize that your ideas are failed ideas.
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You think middle class white people in Hoover are the only ones who want their kids to have a fair shot at a quality education?
I'm the one arguing for fairness here. I fully embrace and welcome any parents who want the same.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:14 pm to Fells
I bet you have blue hair and scream at the clouds when conservatives win
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:18 pm to imjustafatkid
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Not once have I opposed desegregation laws
You are literally and explicitly talking about actively opposing desegregation laws.
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The desegregation case from decades ago that somehow was determined to relate to a school system that didn't exist at that time is driving at least some of this.
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Fortunately for people in this area, there are school systems nearby that have gotten out from under the desegregation case. If push comes to shove, we'll simply move (as will everyone else who values education).
Exactly what I am talking about. Just own up to it and stop being a pussy.
I absolutely love that you were so perturbed by having to confront your shitty worldview that you wrote a response, posted it, sat back, thought about it some more, edited your post to go on offense, posted more nonsense, sat back, thought about it more, was still perturbed, edited your post again. That's beautiful and honestly made my day. I can see you just sitting there at your computer, fingers greasy from the 50 wings you ordered from Wing Stop (cause lets be real, you arent picking up from Blue Pacific), sweating but you're not sure if it's from the stress of being confronted and realizing that you're a piece of shite or the spicy grease pumping through veins, staring at your first post, feeling a lack of confidence, and thinking "If I don't call this person a moron, other people may catch on to the truth of my bigotry that I hide from myself, what else can I put around that?"
And then what you settled on was "As a non-racist person I gotta say that the problems of minorities being more likely to be trapped in cyclical poverty that degrades the quality of their educational resources isn't because of systemic forces, it's because they are inferior to us in some way".
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"white flight" (which will include all people who want their kids to have an actual education instead of indoctrination
This is my favorite part though. First, you put White Flight in parenthesis as if it isn't a heavily documented phenomenon that literally defined Bhm suburbs (like you've never heard the phrase "Over the mountain")
Second: the "indoctrination" is, as you stated previously: - Engage all students in the learning process
- Use data to meet the needs of all groups of learners
- Ensure equitable practices are threaded into the curriculum
- Create environments for individual and collaborative learning
- Understand differences and cultures
But yeah, totally not a racist piece of shite as you literally oppose: desegregation laws, engaging all students, schools meeting the needs of all students, understaning differences and cultures ect.
Its almost like it's satire and you're cluelessnes would be a little funny if it was posted on the god damn football board
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:20 pm to Pastor Mike
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I bet you have blue hair and scream at the clouds when conservatives win
All while arguing, unironically, that people who want a good education for their children would move to a very conservative area. Dude is a total clown.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:23 pm to Fells
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You are literally and explicitly talking about actively opposing desegregation laws.
Nope. Try again.
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As a non-racist person I gotta say that the problems of minorities being more likely to be trapped in cyclical poverty that degrades the quality of their educational resources isn't because of systemic forces, it's because they are inferior to us in some way
You're the one making this argument. You are the one saying minorities need to be in schools with white people in order to succeed. I've never made such a claim.
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you put White Flight in parenthesis
Those are quotation marks, you absolute moron.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:25 pm to Pastor Mike
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Pastor Mike
Nah. My hair is normal and I have a lot of conservative friends and family that I get along with just fine. I probably rage less at election results when conservatives win than most people here do when democrats do since I don't expect anyone with my policy preferences to get far anyways. Always just the lesser of two evils for me.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:30 pm to Fells
I don't know, bro. It seems like you are raging awfully hard at fatkid
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:33 pm to imjustafatkid
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Nope. Try again.
Yes and I qouted you doing exactly that.
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You are the one saying minorities need to be in schools with white people in order to succeed.
Not at all. I said this was a class issue. It's about poor people moving put of poorly funded school zones to better schools. Which you oppose because you're a terrible human who doesn't care about educational access for poor people, hence why you oppose desegregation laws. And not only oppose from an ideas perspective, you claim to be actively working against them.
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Those are quotation marks
Oh no I misworded while typing on the internet. If that's all you go to defend your dumb perspective, you know it's weak and that you are unable to support it. Same reason why you lie and say that you aren't against things that you already said you are actively working against as if we can't go back a page and see it (not that you have to sense I qouted them in the first place).
Edit: I realized that I used "sense" instead of "since" so I'm gonna throw you a bone and leave it in there since I know you don't have much to work with in terms of defending yourself.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:38 pm to Pastor Mike
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It seems like you are raging awfully hard at fatkid
Nah not rage at all. I made a light hearted meme post about this dude railing against desegregation on the Alabama Football board and he got super offended by it and wanted to get into the weeds, which I enjoy and think is quality entertainment.
It's tough because on one hand, perpetuating political wars on the Alabama board isn't incredibly appropriate, but on the other hand, it's hard not to take the opportunity to make fun of the anti-desegregation guy.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:00 am to Fells
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railing against desegregation
No one has railed against desegregation here. You make yourself look like a fool every time you say it. You really need to do some research into what these desegregation cases are actually doing these days. They certainly aren't helping any students, and they definitely aren't enforcing desegregation.
This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:02 am to Fells
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Oh no I misworded while typing on the internet.
You're the idiot who brought up me editing my post. Seems appropriate to call out your failures in response.
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Yes and I qouted you doing exactly that.
"qouted"
No, you didn't. Hoover City Schools have never been segregated. The "desegregation case" was actually against Jefferson County and is only being used to destroy the Hoover school system. Somehow they revived it to use specifically against Hoover when they formed their own system. It's pretty nonsensical and is not valuable to education in any way.
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terrible human who doesn't care about educational access for poor people
ok guy. Sure.This post was edited on 6/3/23 at 1:16 am
Posted on 6/3/23 at 8:19 am to imjustafatkid
Hoover, Spain Park, Vestavia, Chelsea, Homewood, Mtn Brook, etc…. are all fine schools. The OTM suburbs are an embarrassment of riches as it relates to options for getting a very good to great public school education. They all have different personalities and varying degrees of diversity, but they’re all good.
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